By: anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com), February 28, 2019 7:38 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Wilco (Wilco.dijkstra.delete@this.ntlworld.com) on February 28, 2019 4:49 am wrote:
> anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 5:46 pm wrote:
> > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 27, 2019 5:19 pm wrote:
> > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 4:56 pm wrote:
> > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 27, 2019 4:25 pm wrote:
> > > > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 4:02 pm wrote:
> > > > > > Magagop (xxx.delete@this.xxx.com) on February 27, 2019 2:31 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 5:42 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 27, 2019 3:59 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 26, 2019 10:22 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 26, 2019 9:08 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 11:03 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 25, 2019 10:35 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 9:43 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 25, 2019 9:36 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 1:03 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arm doesn't build nor sells hardware. That would mean competing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against their own customers so it will never happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Competing against your own customers is pretty common in this industry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arm was built on cooperation and the idea of an ecosystem. Competing with people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you talk with at an early stage of development would be very destructive of such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > trust and with it their business model. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Competing with ARM architecture licensees, i.e. customers, most of them customers in
> > > > > > > > > > > > more than one role, is an integral and very important part of Arm's business model.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm surprised you aren't aware of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You're extremely confused about what Arm actually does. Arm doesn't sell products, their licensees
> > > > > > > > > > > sell products. Arm licensees don't sell licenses, Arm sells licenses. You will never see Arm selling
> > > > > > > > > > > products because that's the instant their customers stop being happy about funding Arm.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Arm does not and will never compete with their customers because their whole business
> > > > > > > > > > > model depends on it. Give Apple *one* reason to switch to RISCV and they're gone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No, it's actually you who are extremely confused, either with comprehension
> > > > > > > > > > of OP's post or with what ARM actually does, I'm not sure.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FYI, this was the original point of discussion:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Arm is NOT Intel or IBM, it cannot and will not sell chips or laptops or servers directly..."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then somebody asked "Why not?"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm obviously talking about your reply where you stupidly said "Arm does not and will
> > > > > > > > never compete with their customers because their whole business model depends on it."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Because the post did nowhere imply that ARM sells chips or
> > > > > > > > > > any physical device (if that's what you mean by product).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now we know who didn't understand what was being discussed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > True, and you are not among the we.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you know what an ARM architecture license is? A implementation license?
> > > > > > > > > > If yes, then you would know how ARM competes with (some of) its customers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > An Arm ISA license allows a company to build their own implementations of the Arm ISA. An
> > > > > > > > > IP core license allows a company to build SoCs that include that IP core. Arm doesn't build
> > > > > > > > > their own chips, at all, so they're not competing with companies who live off of selling
> > > > > > > > > chips, systems or any other kind of physical product. Arm's whole business model is based
> > > > > > > > > on their customers succeeding at selling physical products that include Arm's IP.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Okay so you're confused about everything. Glad we got that all cleared up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me clarify this, the real market is complicated:
> > > > > > > 1. arm may compete with its customer's internal CPU core design team, like Qualcomm
> > > > > > > Snapdragon 820 (custom Kryo) vs Snapdragon 835 (Cortex A73) vs Snapdragon 845 (Cortex
> > > > > > > A75), BUT arm will not compete with its customer as a whole company.
> > > > > > > 2. even arm "seems" like competing with a whole company (Intel), actually
> > > > > > > Intel's Altera division is an important customer for arm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An analysis of competition and competitive markets that requires equivalence of a final end product
> > > > > > before it can be called competition, or overlap of market of end product, is just wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Company X takes an architecture license, designs a core and has it produced into a CPU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Company A designs a core, company Z licenses it, and has it produced into a CPU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the CPUs compete in the same markets, then their competitive positioning
> > > > > > (price, performance) depends on company X, company A, and company Z.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arm Holdings with its implementations competes with many of its architecture licensees. That's just a fact,
> > > > > > it's not negotiable. It's not complicated, there is no need
> > > > > > to clarify anything further, no reason to call something
> > > > > > internal or external, and no difference if there are other areas where competitors also co-operate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it is a simple fact that does not tell much about dynamic between companies. But it is all
> > > > > > you need to counter an equally simple and wrong assertion that Arm does not compete with customers.
> > > > >
> > > > > If X and Z are engineers and A is a university that trains engineers, are we to say that the
> > > > > university is in competition with X and Z?
> > > >
> > > > What is the significance of having two engineers in your example?
> > >
> > > Two engineers will be in competition as they may both apply to do the same job. Engineer X may
> > > have done some thinking about how to build a bridge a new way for instance and engineer Z may
> > > plan to build it according to all the design and safety rules they were taught. As far as I can
> > > see this is completely equivalent to what you are saying about companies X, A and Z above.
> >
> > Ah I see. No it's not equivalent at all, and you seem to be intent on arguing
> > stupid semantics of words that nobody would use. I don't know why the hell you
> > are trying to do this, but it kind of just shows you have no real argument.
> >
> > Arm competes with some of its customers. End of debate.
>
> Wrong - if you take that moronic argument to its logical conclusion, Arm competes with itself!
I hate to break it to you, but you do not have the amazing "gotcha" winning point that you believe here. A lot of companies groups compete with themselves.
If you define "compete" to mean a separate entity in a way that Arm does not compete with itself, that's fine but it still competes with its customers.
>
> Arm simply doesn't compete with its customers. If you want to build an Arm Soc, you can (a) license
> one from Arm or (b) design your own. Either way, you pay Arm a licensing fee and royalties on
> any units you sell. If you sell more units, Arm earns more. That means Arm wants you to be successful,
> whether you use custom or licensed cores. More units = more money. Got it?
You clearly don't know what "compete" means.
> anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 5:46 pm wrote:
> > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 27, 2019 5:19 pm wrote:
> > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 4:56 pm wrote:
> > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 27, 2019 4:25 pm wrote:
> > > > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 4:02 pm wrote:
> > > > > > Magagop (xxx.delete@this.xxx.com) on February 27, 2019 2:31 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 27, 2019 5:42 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 27, 2019 3:59 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > anon (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on February 26, 2019 10:22 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 26, 2019 9:08 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 11:03 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on February 25, 2019 10:35 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 9:43 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not the parent (not3par.delete@this.gmail.com) on February 25, 2019 9:36 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on February 25, 2019 1:03 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > why not?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Arm doesn't build nor sells hardware. That would mean competing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > against their own customers so it will never happen.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Competing against your own customers is pretty common in this industry.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Arm was built on cooperation and the idea of an ecosystem. Competing with people
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you talk with at an early stage of development would be very destructive of such
> > > > > > > > > > > > > trust and with it their business model. I'm surprised you aren't aware of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Competing with ARM architecture licensees, i.e. customers, most of them customers in
> > > > > > > > > > > > more than one role, is an integral and very important part of Arm's business model.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm surprised you aren't aware of this.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > You're extremely confused about what Arm actually does. Arm doesn't sell products, their licensees
> > > > > > > > > > > sell products. Arm licensees don't sell licenses, Arm sells licenses. You will never see Arm selling
> > > > > > > > > > > products because that's the instant their customers stop being happy about funding Arm.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Arm does not and will never compete with their customers because their whole business
> > > > > > > > > > > model depends on it. Give Apple *one* reason to switch to RISCV and they're gone.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > No, it's actually you who are extremely confused, either with comprehension
> > > > > > > > > > of OP's post or with what ARM actually does, I'm not sure.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > FYI, this was the original point of discussion:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Arm is NOT Intel or IBM, it cannot and will not sell chips or laptops or servers directly..."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Then somebody asked "Why not?"
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm obviously talking about your reply where you stupidly said "Arm does not and will
> > > > > > > > never compete with their customers because their whole business model depends on it."
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Because the post did nowhere imply that ARM sells chips or
> > > > > > > > > > any physical device (if that's what you mean by product).
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now we know who didn't understand what was being discussed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > True, and you are not among the we.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you know what an ARM architecture license is? A implementation license?
> > > > > > > > > > If yes, then you would know how ARM competes with (some of) its customers.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > An Arm ISA license allows a company to build their own implementations of the Arm ISA. An
> > > > > > > > > IP core license allows a company to build SoCs that include that IP core. Arm doesn't build
> > > > > > > > > their own chips, at all, so they're not competing with companies who live off of selling
> > > > > > > > > chips, systems or any other kind of physical product. Arm's whole business model is based
> > > > > > > > > on their customers succeeding at selling physical products that include Arm's IP.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Okay so you're confused about everything. Glad we got that all cleared up.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Let me clarify this, the real market is complicated:
> > > > > > > 1. arm may compete with its customer's internal CPU core design team, like Qualcomm
> > > > > > > Snapdragon 820 (custom Kryo) vs Snapdragon 835 (Cortex A73) vs Snapdragon 845 (Cortex
> > > > > > > A75), BUT arm will not compete with its customer as a whole company.
> > > > > > > 2. even arm "seems" like competing with a whole company (Intel), actually
> > > > > > > Intel's Altera division is an important customer for arm.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > An analysis of competition and competitive markets that requires equivalence of a final end product
> > > > > > before it can be called competition, or overlap of market of end product, is just wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Company X takes an architecture license, designs a core and has it produced into a CPU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Company A designs a core, company Z licenses it, and has it produced into a CPU.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If the CPUs compete in the same markets, then their competitive positioning
> > > > > > (price, performance) depends on company X, company A, and company Z.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Arm Holdings with its implementations competes with many of its architecture licensees. That's just a fact,
> > > > > > it's not negotiable. It's not complicated, there is no need
> > > > > > to clarify anything further, no reason to call something
> > > > > > internal or external, and no difference if there are other areas where competitors also co-operate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course it is a simple fact that does not tell much about dynamic between companies. But it is all
> > > > > > you need to counter an equally simple and wrong assertion that Arm does not compete with customers.
> > > > >
> > > > > If X and Z are engineers and A is a university that trains engineers, are we to say that the
> > > > > university is in competition with X and Z?
> > > >
> > > > What is the significance of having two engineers in your example?
> > >
> > > Two engineers will be in competition as they may both apply to do the same job. Engineer X may
> > > have done some thinking about how to build a bridge a new way for instance and engineer Z may
> > > plan to build it according to all the design and safety rules they were taught. As far as I can
> > > see this is completely equivalent to what you are saying about companies X, A and Z above.
> >
> > Ah I see. No it's not equivalent at all, and you seem to be intent on arguing
> > stupid semantics of words that nobody would use. I don't know why the hell you
> > are trying to do this, but it kind of just shows you have no real argument.
> >
> > Arm competes with some of its customers. End of debate.
>
> Wrong - if you take that moronic argument to its logical conclusion, Arm competes with itself!
I hate to break it to you, but you do not have the amazing "gotcha" winning point that you believe here. A lot of companies groups compete with themselves.
If you define "compete" to mean a separate entity in a way that Arm does not compete with itself, that's fine but it still competes with its customers.
>
> Arm simply doesn't compete with its customers. If you want to build an Arm Soc, you can (a) license
> one from Arm or (b) design your own. Either way, you pay Arm a licensing fee and royalties on
> any units you sell. If you sell more units, Arm earns more. That means Arm wants you to be successful,
> whether you use custom or licensed cores. More units = more money. Got it?
You clearly don't know what "compete" means.
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ARM announces Ares | Maynard Handley | 2019/02/22 07:51 AM |
ARM announces Ares | David Soul | 2019/02/22 10:47 AM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/02/22 11:23 AM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Brett | 2019/02/22 01:21 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | David Soul | 2019/02/22 05:05 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Brett | 2019/02/22 08:55 PM |
ARM sales | juanrga | 2019/02/23 02:55 AM |
ARM sales | aaron spink | 2019/02/23 07:47 AM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Ronald Maas | 2019/02/23 05:33 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Magagop | 2019/02/24 10:18 PM |
why not? (NT) | Michael S | 2019/02/25 01:03 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/25 09:36 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/25 09:43 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/25 10:35 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/25 11:03 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/25 11:29 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/26 09:08 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/26 11:05 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 03:51 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:15 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/28 12:43 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/26 10:22 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 03:59 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 05:42 AM |
why not? | Magagop | 2019/02/27 02:31 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 04:02 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 04:25 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 04:56 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 05:19 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 05:46 PM |
why not? | Wilco | 2019/02/28 04:49 AM |
why not? | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 06:02 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/28 07:32 AM |
why not? | Wilco | 2019/02/28 08:40 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/28 09:13 AM |
why not? | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 06:35 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/01 10:05 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/01 01:32 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/01 02:13 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/01 03:13 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/02 02:56 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/02 09:09 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/02 09:41 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/02 11:19 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 02:48 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/02 03:53 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/02 04:06 PM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/02 11:54 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/03 01:58 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 04:35 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 05:33 AM |
I considired dry humor a Brittish specialty. It seems, I was wrong about it. (NT) | Michael S | 2019/03/03 05:39 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 09:13 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/03 11:41 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 12:21 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 03:15 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/28 07:38 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/28 12:48 AM |
strawman (NT) | anon | 2019/02/28 07:31 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 02:53 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 04:26 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 04:42 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 04:49 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 05:21 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 06:15 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 10:25 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:45 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 01:32 PM |
Selling at multiple layers | Doug S | 2019/02/27 03:04 PM |
Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 06:06 PM | |
Arm reference board? | Simon Farnsworth | 2019/02/28 11:34 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:46 AM |
why not? (NT) | la mama de murgay | 2019/02/25 09:22 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Ronald Maas | 2019/02/25 12:23 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/24 02:07 PM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/03/02 04:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 07:08 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/03/02 09:10 AM |
ARM announces Ares | hobel | 2019/02/22 03:33 PM |
ARM announces Ares | David Soul | 2019/02/22 05:20 PM |
Troll | Doug S | 2019/02/23 12:37 AM |
Troll | David Soul | 2019/02/23 07:59 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Ennis | 2019/02/23 01:18 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/02/23 01:38 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/23 02:46 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/23 04:41 AM |
ARM announces Ares | nobody in particular | 2019/02/26 02:58 AM |
expensive | anonymous2 | 2019/02/26 11:46 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 06:19 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 06:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 06:57 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/27 07:11 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/27 07:16 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/27 11:49 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/27 12:43 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/27 03:06 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/02/28 04:00 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/02/28 04:02 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/03/01 02:47 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | Michael S | 2019/03/01 06:27 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 06:37 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | dmcq | 2019/03/01 11:10 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 05:31 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/28 08:17 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/28 02:02 PM |
ARM announces Ares | aaron spink | 2019/03/01 12:19 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/28 10:32 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/28 10:33 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 12:55 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/03/01 04:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 07:45 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 08:17 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 08:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 03:03 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 05:03 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/27 10:49 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/28 03:26 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Peter E. Fry | 2019/02/28 06:31 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Adrian | 2019/02/28 09:09 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/01 11:56 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/03/02 09:05 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 01:31 PM |