By: dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk), March 3, 2019 3:48 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 2, 2019 11:19 am wrote:
> dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on March 2, 2019 9:41 am wrote:
> > anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 2, 2019 9:09 am wrote:
> > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on March 2, 2019 2:56 am wrote:
> > > > anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 1, 2019 3:13 pm wrote:
> > > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on March 1, 2019 2:13 pm wrote:
> > > > > > anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 1, 2019 1:32 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on March 1, 2019 10:05 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > Foo_ (foo.delete@this.nomail.com) on March 1, 2019 6:35 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on February 28, 2019 9:13 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you think anyone is
> > > > > > > > > > saving money overall by getting an architectural license and designing their own cores?
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see a chance in hell of that, not unless they were shipping billions of SoCs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is IMHO the reason Samsung does it, because they don't have to pay the
> > > > > > > > > > Qualcomm tax on their phones containing Exynos SoCs,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So basically Samsung does it because they are saving money
> > > > > > > > > overall? It seems you're contradicting yourself here :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was responding to a claim being made in this thread that companies with architectural
> > > > > > > > licenses designing their own cores are somehow "competing" with ARM. The savings
> > > > > > > > Samsung gets from their Exynos cores come at Qualcomm's expense, not ARM's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wait, the newer Exynos SoCs using Mx instead of Cortex-A7x cores come at Qualcomm's expense?
> > > > > > > How much money did Qualcomm make on the A73s in the Exynos 7 SoCs?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Different anon, I'm genuinely confused.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think they're saying a person who digs their own garden is in competition with gardeners they
> > > > > > might pay to do the job. Which I suppose one can stretch one's mind to. After that I suppose you
> > > > > > can somehow step further along to saying the person who sells them spades is also in competition
> > > > > > with them.After that the going gets easier, any mother having a child is in competition.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not what I was asking.
> > > > > Samsung has to choose between their own Mx cores and ARM's A7x.
> > > > > Doug S wrote that if they save money by using their own cores this hurts Qualcomm, but not ARM.
> > > > > I'm asking how is that possible?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to go with the gardener analogy the choice is between letting gardener A do it or
> > > > > buying/renting tools from him and doing it yourself. Now Doug is saying that if I were to do
> > > > > it myself then this would cost gardener B, who lives across the street, but not gardener A.
> > > > > If I let A do it A gets a lot of money and B gets no money. If I do it myself A gets less money and B still
> > > > > gets no money. Yet somehow B is supposed to be at a disadvantage and A is supposed to be unaffected.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Honestly this looks more like "ARM can't compete with itself, therefore someone else must be hurt
> > > > > by this, I guess it's Qualcomm because Qualcomm competes with everyone" than a rational argument.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think following the money like you have is very
> > > > useful in defining compete. Yes a supplier 'competes'
> > > > against a buyer. They can haggle over the price. But using
> > > > the word in that way when talking about companies
> > > > just removes any real meaning from the word - everybody competes with everybody for money so it conveys
> > > > no information. The usual meaning of compete in business is that one company competes against another
> > > > if they both want to sell to the same buyer. In that context the two companies don't even exchange money
> > > > with each other, in the case of a buyer and a seller they do exchange money, but it is the case where
> > > > they don't directly exchange money that people normally talk about competing.
> > >
> > > What are you on about?
> > > Try reading it again.
> > > If there is no conceivable scenario where B gets any money from
> > > me in exchange for goods/services then B does not compete.
> > >
> > >
> > > Back to the original question:
> > > Qualcomm makes exactly 0$ on ARM's A7x cores in Samsung's Exynos SoCs.
> > > Qualcomm makes exactly 0$ on Samsung's Mx cores in Samsung's Exynos SoCs.
> > > Doug S said this switch cost Qualcomm money.
> > > He also said this switch does not cost ARM anything.
> > >
> > > How does that work?
> > > I quote "The savings Samsung gets from their Exynos cores come at Qualcomm's expense, not ARM's."
> > > How? Qualcomm is not paying them anything nor are they losing out on any revenue since that was already 0.
> >
> > Okay I'll deal with the direct query. They said that Qualcomm
> > lost money because if Samsung had not made their
> > own chips without some of Qualcomms wireless licences they would have had to pay Qualcomm for the licence.
> >
>
> Yes, but that's only Snapdragon vs Exynos.
> Whether that Exynos uses ARM's or Samsung's cores does not matter to Qualcomm.
>
> The first Exynos SoCs use Cortex-A cores exclusively, the newer ones use Samsung's Mx as big and Cortex-A
> as LITTLE cores. If that switch saves Samsung money then someone is losing revenue and it's not Qualcomm.
> Either Samsung pays ARM less for their own M cores than for Cortex-A or they are not saving money.
>
>
> Of course Qualcomm lost money due to Samsung switching to their own chips, but any additional savings
> of an Exynos with Samsung's own cores compared to an exclusively Cortex-A Exynos can not be coming out
> of Qualcomms pockets, because they don't make any money on the Cortex-A cores Samsung buys from ARM.
>
> > Samsung and Qualcomm both make chips that compete in smartphones.
> > However I would not count the above argument
> > about the licence as competing in the normally accepted meaning in business. Qualcomm is simply not getting
> > money for phones which don't use their ip. Yes they get
> > less money but that is because there is no requirement
> > in that are a, not because they are competing with some other company for the business.
>
> I'm not sure what else they'd be competing for, other than money.
You are using the word compete in an inappropriate way for business. The word for what happens between a seller and a buyer is haggling. The word for what happens between two sellers trying for the same buyer is competing. They have quite different dynamics, in a haggle both participants expect to win, if a customer or supplier disappears that is normally bad news. In a competition there is normally just the one winner, if a competitor goes away that is normally good news. If you have to go through a longer chain to figure out costs and benefits that is strategic thinking.
> dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on March 2, 2019 9:41 am wrote:
> > anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 2, 2019 9:09 am wrote:
> > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on March 2, 2019 2:56 am wrote:
> > > > anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 1, 2019 3:13 pm wrote:
> > > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on March 1, 2019 2:13 pm wrote:
> > > > > > anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on March 1, 2019 1:32 pm wrote:
> > > > > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on March 1, 2019 10:05 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > Foo_ (foo.delete@this.nomail.com) on March 1, 2019 6:35 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on February 28, 2019 9:13 am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Do you think anyone is
> > > > > > > > > > saving money overall by getting an architectural license and designing their own cores?
> > > > > > > > > > I don't see a chance in hell of that, not unless they were shipping billions of SoCs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is IMHO the reason Samsung does it, because they don't have to pay the
> > > > > > > > > > Qualcomm tax on their phones containing Exynos SoCs,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > So basically Samsung does it because they are saving money
> > > > > > > > > overall? It seems you're contradicting yourself here :-)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was responding to a claim being made in this thread that companies with architectural
> > > > > > > > licenses designing their own cores are somehow "competing" with ARM. The savings
> > > > > > > > Samsung gets from their Exynos cores come at Qualcomm's expense, not ARM's.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Wait, the newer Exynos SoCs using Mx instead of Cortex-A7x cores come at Qualcomm's expense?
> > > > > > > How much money did Qualcomm make on the A73s in the Exynos 7 SoCs?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Different anon, I'm genuinely confused.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think they're saying a person who digs their own garden is in competition with gardeners they
> > > > > > might pay to do the job. Which I suppose one can stretch one's mind to. After that I suppose you
> > > > > > can somehow step further along to saying the person who sells them spades is also in competition
> > > > > > with them.After that the going gets easier, any mother having a child is in competition.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Not what I was asking.
> > > > > Samsung has to choose between their own Mx cores and ARM's A7x.
> > > > > Doug S wrote that if they save money by using their own cores this hurts Qualcomm, but not ARM.
> > > > > I'm asking how is that possible?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to go with the gardener analogy the choice is between letting gardener A do it or
> > > > > buying/renting tools from him and doing it yourself. Now Doug is saying that if I were to do
> > > > > it myself then this would cost gardener B, who lives across the street, but not gardener A.
> > > > > If I let A do it A gets a lot of money and B gets no money. If I do it myself A gets less money and B still
> > > > > gets no money. Yet somehow B is supposed to be at a disadvantage and A is supposed to be unaffected.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Honestly this looks more like "ARM can't compete with itself, therefore someone else must be hurt
> > > > > by this, I guess it's Qualcomm because Qualcomm competes with everyone" than a rational argument.
> > > >
> > > > I don't think following the money like you have is very
> > > > useful in defining compete. Yes a supplier 'competes'
> > > > against a buyer. They can haggle over the price. But using
> > > > the word in that way when talking about companies
> > > > just removes any real meaning from the word - everybody competes with everybody for money so it conveys
> > > > no information. The usual meaning of compete in business is that one company competes against another
> > > > if they both want to sell to the same buyer. In that context the two companies don't even exchange money
> > > > with each other, in the case of a buyer and a seller they do exchange money, but it is the case where
> > > > they don't directly exchange money that people normally talk about competing.
> > >
> > > What are you on about?
> > > Try reading it again.
> > > If there is no conceivable scenario where B gets any money from
> > > me in exchange for goods/services then B does not compete.
> > >
> > >
> > > Back to the original question:
> > > Qualcomm makes exactly 0$ on ARM's A7x cores in Samsung's Exynos SoCs.
> > > Qualcomm makes exactly 0$ on Samsung's Mx cores in Samsung's Exynos SoCs.
> > > Doug S said this switch cost Qualcomm money.
> > > He also said this switch does not cost ARM anything.
> > >
> > > How does that work?
> > > I quote "The savings Samsung gets from their Exynos cores come at Qualcomm's expense, not ARM's."
> > > How? Qualcomm is not paying them anything nor are they losing out on any revenue since that was already 0.
> >
> > Okay I'll deal with the direct query. They said that Qualcomm
> > lost money because if Samsung had not made their
> > own chips without some of Qualcomms wireless licences they would have had to pay Qualcomm for the licence.
> >
>
> Yes, but that's only Snapdragon vs Exynos.
> Whether that Exynos uses ARM's or Samsung's cores does not matter to Qualcomm.
>
> The first Exynos SoCs use Cortex-A cores exclusively, the newer ones use Samsung's Mx as big and Cortex-A
> as LITTLE cores. If that switch saves Samsung money then someone is losing revenue and it's not Qualcomm.
> Either Samsung pays ARM less for their own M cores than for Cortex-A or they are not saving money.
>
>
> Of course Qualcomm lost money due to Samsung switching to their own chips, but any additional savings
> of an Exynos with Samsung's own cores compared to an exclusively Cortex-A Exynos can not be coming out
> of Qualcomms pockets, because they don't make any money on the Cortex-A cores Samsung buys from ARM.
>
> > Samsung and Qualcomm both make chips that compete in smartphones.
> > However I would not count the above argument
> > about the licence as competing in the normally accepted meaning in business. Qualcomm is simply not getting
> > money for phones which don't use their ip. Yes they get
> > less money but that is because there is no requirement
> > in that are a, not because they are competing with some other company for the business.
>
> I'm not sure what else they'd be competing for, other than money.
You are using the word compete in an inappropriate way for business. The word for what happens between a seller and a buyer is haggling. The word for what happens between two sellers trying for the same buyer is competing. They have quite different dynamics, in a haggle both participants expect to win, if a customer or supplier disappears that is normally bad news. In a competition there is normally just the one winner, if a competitor goes away that is normally good news. If you have to go through a longer chain to figure out costs and benefits that is strategic thinking.
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Definitions of RISC (nod to John Mashey and comp.arch) | Michael S | 2019/02/22 04:28 AM |
Definitions of RISC (nod to John Mashey and comp.arch) | none | 2019/02/22 08:01 AM |
ARM announces Ares | lockederboss | 2019/02/20 09:56 AM |
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ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 10:05 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Groo | 2019/02/20 10:11 AM |
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ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/21 12:03 AM |
That last line should have been removed :-) (NT) | none | 2019/02/21 12:04 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 01:47 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/21 03:59 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/21 04:45 AM |
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+ on hyperscaling | juanrga | 2019/02/22 11:57 AM |
+ on hyperscaling | dmcq | 2019/02/22 08:23 AM |
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ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/21 08:34 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Brett | 2019/02/21 10:20 PM |
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ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/20 04:14 PM |
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ARM announces Ares | aaron spink | 2019/02/21 04:05 PM |
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ARM announces Ares | David Soul | 2019/02/22 11:47 AM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/02/22 12:23 PM |
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why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/25 10:36 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/25 10:43 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/25 11:35 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/25 12:03 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/25 12:29 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/26 10:08 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/26 12:05 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 04:51 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/27 12:15 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/28 01:43 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/26 11:22 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 04:59 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 06:42 AM |
why not? | Magagop | 2019/02/27 03:31 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 05:02 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 05:25 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 05:56 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 06:19 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/27 06:46 PM |
why not? | Wilco | 2019/02/28 05:49 AM |
why not? | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 07:02 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/28 08:32 AM |
why not? | Wilco | 2019/02/28 09:40 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/28 10:13 AM |
why not? | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 07:35 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/01 11:05 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/01 02:32 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/01 03:13 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/01 04:13 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/02 03:56 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/02 10:09 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/02 10:41 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/02 12:19 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 03:48 AM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/02 04:53 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/02 05:06 PM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/03/03 12:54 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/03 02:58 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 05:35 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 06:33 AM |
I considired dry humor a Brittish specialty. It seems, I was wrong about it. (NT) | Michael S | 2019/03/03 06:39 AM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 10:13 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/03/03 12:41 PM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/03/03 01:21 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/03/03 04:15 PM |
why not? | anon | 2019/02/28 08:38 PM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/28 01:48 AM |
strawman (NT) | anon | 2019/02/28 08:31 PM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 03:53 AM |
why not? | Not the parent | 2019/02/27 05:26 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 05:42 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 05:49 AM |
why not? | Michael S | 2019/02/27 06:21 AM |
why not? | dmcq | 2019/02/27 07:15 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 11:25 AM |
Selling at multiple layers | Doug S | 2019/02/27 12:45 PM |
Selling at multiple layers | Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 02:32 PM |
Selling at multiple layers | Doug S | 2019/02/27 04:04 PM |
Paul A. Clayton | 2019/02/27 07:06 PM | |
Arm reference board? | Simon Farnsworth | 2019/02/28 12:34 PM |
why not? | Doug S | 2019/02/27 12:46 PM |
why not? (NT) | la mama de murgay | 2019/02/25 10:22 PM |
Chicken or egg, both. | Ronald Maas | 2019/02/25 01:23 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/24 03:07 PM |
ARM announces Ares | juanrga | 2019/03/02 05:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 08:08 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/03/02 10:10 AM |
ARM announces Ares | hobel | 2019/02/22 04:33 PM |
ARM announces Ares | David Soul | 2019/02/22 06:20 PM |
Troll | Doug S | 2019/02/23 01:37 AM |
Troll | David Soul | 2019/02/23 08:59 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Ennis | 2019/02/23 02:18 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/02/23 02:38 AM |
ARM announces Ares | anon | 2019/02/23 03:46 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/23 05:41 AM |
ARM announces Ares | nobody in particular | 2019/02/26 03:58 AM |
expensive | anonymous2 | 2019/02/27 12:46 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 07:19 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 07:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 07:57 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/27 08:11 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/27 08:16 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/27 12:49 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/02/27 01:43 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Doug S | 2019/02/27 04:06 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/02/28 05:00 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/02/28 05:02 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Michael S | 2019/03/01 03:47 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | Michael S | 2019/03/01 07:27 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 07:37 AM |
death by a thousand cuts | dmcq | 2019/03/01 12:10 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 06:31 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/28 09:17 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/02/28 03:02 PM |
ARM announces Ares | aaron spink | 2019/03/01 01:19 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/28 11:32 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Andrew Clough | 2019/02/28 11:33 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Foo_ | 2019/03/01 01:55 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/03/01 05:40 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 08:45 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 09:17 AM |
ARM announces Ares | dmcq | 2019/02/27 09:21 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/27 04:03 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Jukka Larja | 2019/02/28 06:03 AM |
ARM announces Ares | none | 2019/02/27 11:49 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/02/28 04:26 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Peter E. Fry | 2019/02/28 07:31 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Adrian | 2019/02/28 10:09 PM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 12:56 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Howard Chu | 2019/03/02 10:05 AM |
ARM announces Ares | Gabriele Svelto | 2019/03/02 02:31 PM |