Wired Exclusive: What to Expect From Sony's Next-Gen PlayStation

By: anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com), April 17, 2019 8:44 am
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wumpus (lost.delete@this.in.a.cave) on April 17, 2019 9:24 am wrote:
> NoSpammer (no.delete@this.spam.com) on April 17, 2019 3:50 am wrote:
> > sleep (sleep.delete@this.sogetthis.com) on April 16, 2019 11:04 pm wrote:
> > > https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
> > >
> > > PR blitz from Sony. Confirms Navi, Zen 2 and an SSD that "has
> > > a raw bandwidth higher than any SSD available for PCs".
> > >
> > > I'm surprised at how hard they are selling faster storage. Are they actually planning on putting
> > > a fast, high-capacity SSD in every console? Wouldn't that money be better spent on GPU power or
> > > more/faster memory? Maybe someone who actually knows anything about games could chime in.
> >
> > I don't think you need to know much about games to figure out the reason.
> >
> > Fastest mainstream 7200 RPM hard disks nowadays give you around 150 MB/s. PS5 will likely have
> > 12GB+ of RAM. So that's 80 seconds to load game assets. This is truly 8-bit age loading time. Replace
> > with SSD on SATA - faster, but still way too slow. Consider that down the road say in 3 years (or
> > even sooner) gaming experience will be compared to a new PC with a fast NVMe SSD. If you want to
> > sell the "ultimate" gaming device for a long time you want to be prepared for that.
> >
> > So it makes perfect sense to include 256-512 GB of really
> > fast SSD storage using the fastest available interface,
> > and even for secondary storage extension option it is more future proof to have NVMe instead of SATA.
>
> The flip side of that is that multiple levels of 12GB+ will eat up storage. From what I've heard, current
> PS4 owners go straight to the 2TB storage limit. Assuming that they are dealing with ~20 second load
> times [sounds slightly high], that implies that they will want at least 8TB of storage in a PS5.
>
> I'd go so far as to claim that as long as you have that 256-512 sufficiently high speed SSD (for loading assets
> of recently played games), 8TB of spinning storage is *more* "future proof" than 2TB of arbitrarily fast SSD.
> On the other hand, plenty of PS5 buyers are too young to think ahead and 2TB of SSD might sell better.
>

I'd look at this from a different perspective. There will at the very least be 1 TB version or it would be a downgrade. I think it's safe to assume that there will b a 2 TB version.
Think about what a 2 TB NVMe SSD that's actually faster than a SATA SSD (so not just a shitty 300 MB/s 20k IOPS SSD with NVMe tacked on) costs. You can't spend >200$ on storage for a 400$ console.
Similarly I don't think it'll be 8 TB HDD + SSD.

I'm not sure how 20 second load times imply 8 TB capacity are needed, mind explaining that part again? I'm pretty sure I'm missing something.

Either way I'd guess 256 GB SSD (maybe 512, but that's a big maybe) + 2/4 TB HDD.

> - no idea if/how developers will optimize game layout after it becomes a maze of patches.
> Presumably assets won't often be patched, but I've seen some disasters on more heavily
> updated games (even before they could reasonably expect players to have SSDs).

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