By: Aaron Spink (aaronspink.delete@this.notearthlink.net), April 18, 2019 2:50 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
anon (spam.delete.delete.delete@this.this.this.spam.com) on April 18, 2019 11:51 am wrote:
> See my answer to james. I'm not sure if >7000 MB/s with terrible random performance are actually useful.
> On a sidenote how would the write endurance work out?
>
It would work fine for the use case which is loading large 10+ GB texture sets into memory on a continuous basis. And random isn't terrible, its still quite good for reads.
And write endurance hardly matters when you are talking about a use case that is realistically single digit drive writes per year. If someone is buying and downloading enough games to run out the write endurance, I think Sony would be more than happy to fix the drive for them, that's basically ~1k games AAA games per year on a 1TB drive over 3-5 years. Hell, if your consuming games at that rate, Sony will probably just give you another full console.
> > > At the very least we can agree that an 8 TB SSD like wumpus suggested
> > > would be insane. Unless the NAND prices crash that's 300$.
> > > 2 TB is definitely possible depending on what their performance goal is.
> > > 4 TB is debatable.
> > >
> > Not really, given 2-3 years from now, it should certainly be possible to get
> > QLC at ~$20-25 per TB based on process trends. So you are looking at $160-200
> > for 8TB which is in the realm of reasonable. Esp at the high end.
> >
>
> 200$ just for the SSD in a 400$ console does not seem reasonable to me. What high end?
>
An 8TB SKU isn't going to be $400 just like currently there are multiple SKUs based on capacity. Right now they spend between about $60 on storage related costs for the current consoles. So realistically you are probably looking at a ~2TB entry point.
> Unless AMD redoes the I/O just to remove SATA to save 1 mm² it'll probably
> be on the SoC anyway. Maybe it's shared with the x4 NVMe again, maybe not.
>
There's no redoes. Its a custom SOC, they will put in what is required. And as I said, if they support HDD, it will be via USB3 which is available on both PS4 and XBONE currently. There is zero reason to have SATA on the console.
> See my answer to james. I'm not sure if >7000 MB/s with terrible random performance are actually useful.
> On a sidenote how would the write endurance work out?
>
It would work fine for the use case which is loading large 10+ GB texture sets into memory on a continuous basis. And random isn't terrible, its still quite good for reads.
And write endurance hardly matters when you are talking about a use case that is realistically single digit drive writes per year. If someone is buying and downloading enough games to run out the write endurance, I think Sony would be more than happy to fix the drive for them, that's basically ~1k games AAA games per year on a 1TB drive over 3-5 years. Hell, if your consuming games at that rate, Sony will probably just give you another full console.
> > > At the very least we can agree that an 8 TB SSD like wumpus suggested
> > > would be insane. Unless the NAND prices crash that's 300$.
> > > 2 TB is definitely possible depending on what their performance goal is.
> > > 4 TB is debatable.
> > >
> > Not really, given 2-3 years from now, it should certainly be possible to get
> > QLC at ~$20-25 per TB based on process trends. So you are looking at $160-200
> > for 8TB which is in the realm of reasonable. Esp at the high end.
> >
>
> 200$ just for the SSD in a 400$ console does not seem reasonable to me. What high end?
>
An 8TB SKU isn't going to be $400 just like currently there are multiple SKUs based on capacity. Right now they spend between about $60 on storage related costs for the current consoles. So realistically you are probably looking at a ~2TB entry point.
> Unless AMD redoes the I/O just to remove SATA to save 1 mm² it'll probably
> be on the SoC anyway. Maybe it's shared with the x4 NVMe again, maybe not.
>
There's no redoes. Its a custom SOC, they will put in what is required. And as I said, if they support HDD, it will be via USB3 which is available on both PS4 and XBONE currently. There is zero reason to have SATA on the console.