By: wumpus (lost.delete@this.in.a.cave), April 20, 2019 8:48 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on April 20, 2019 7:29 am wrote:
> blue (blue.delete@this.blue.com) on April 20, 2019 5:50 am wrote:
> > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on April 19, 2019 10:53 am wrote:
> > > Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on April 19, 2019 3:03 am wrote:
> > > > I also don't much believe in 500 GB games, simply because that would require ten BD disks (or 5 UHD BD)
> > > > and insane installation procedure (just think about maximum BD read speed). Couple of disks at most and
> > > > maybe some high-resolution texture pack for people paying the monthly fee of PS+ or whatever.
> > >
> > >
> > > Enough people have broadband that would allow simply downloading the games that building an optical drive
> > > into every "PS5" would be stupid. They will still need the option, but it probably makes sense to have a
> > > higher cost version of the product include an external optical drive for people who lack decent broadband.
> >
> > Well, you could read the article:
> > "For example, the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won't be a download-only machine.
> >
> >
> > https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
> >
> > I could easily see a revised version coming later that has no optical drive, to get the slim model.
> > But I don't see them doing two completely different versions at launch. Especially because they would
> > probably have to have the download only be $50 cheaper--more than a blue-ray drive costs iirc.
> >
> > And I suspect it would not even push sales much.
>
> They have time to see how Microsoft will fare with their discless Xbox One. I'm somewhat surprised that
> it has taken so long. Downloaded games can't be resold, which should make Sony and Microsoft happy.
>
> -JLarja
A quick check of pcpartpicker.com shows bluray readers start at $60. Retail 512G SSDs (vaguely name brand) can be had at a similar price* (although no idea if they contain enough chips to meet PS5 speed requirements).
Expect to see optical-free consoles. Diskless consoles aren't going to happen this generation. Diskless not only leaves money on the table for Sony and Microsoft, it leaves DLC off the table for the publishers, not to mention day one bugfixes.
* While I don't think that these prices are all that similar to what Sony pays, retail to retail is at least apples to apples and I think flash and optical players are going in different directions price-wise.
> blue (blue.delete@this.blue.com) on April 20, 2019 5:50 am wrote:
> > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on April 19, 2019 10:53 am wrote:
> > > Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on April 19, 2019 3:03 am wrote:
> > > > I also don't much believe in 500 GB games, simply because that would require ten BD disks (or 5 UHD BD)
> > > > and insane installation procedure (just think about maximum BD read speed). Couple of disks at most and
> > > > maybe some high-resolution texture pack for people paying the monthly fee of PS+ or whatever.
> > >
> > >
> > > Enough people have broadband that would allow simply downloading the games that building an optical drive
> > > into every "PS5" would be stupid. They will still need the option, but it probably makes sense to have a
> > > higher cost version of the product include an external optical drive for people who lack decent broadband.
> >
> > Well, you could read the article:
> > "For example, the next-gen console will still accept physical media; it won't be a download-only machine.
> >
> >
> > https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/
> >
> > I could easily see a revised version coming later that has no optical drive, to get the slim model.
> > But I don't see them doing two completely different versions at launch. Especially because they would
> > probably have to have the download only be $50 cheaper--more than a blue-ray drive costs iirc.
> >
> > And I suspect it would not even push sales much.
>
> They have time to see how Microsoft will fare with their discless Xbox One. I'm somewhat surprised that
> it has taken so long. Downloaded games can't be resold, which should make Sony and Microsoft happy.
>
> -JLarja
A quick check of pcpartpicker.com shows bluray readers start at $60. Retail 512G SSDs (vaguely name brand) can be had at a similar price* (although no idea if they contain enough chips to meet PS5 speed requirements).
Expect to see optical-free consoles. Diskless consoles aren't going to happen this generation. Diskless not only leaves money on the table for Sony and Microsoft, it leaves DLC off the table for the publishers, not to mention day one bugfixes.
* While I don't think that these prices are all that similar to what Sony pays, retail to retail is at least apples to apples and I think flash and optical players are going in different directions price-wise.