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By: Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com), April 20, 2019 12:08 pm
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Groo (charlie.delete@this.semiaccurate.com) on April 20, 2019 9:36 am wrote:
> Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on April 20, 2019 7:29 am wrote:
>
> > They have time to see how Microsoft will fare with their discless Xbox One. I'm somewhat surprised that
> > it has taken so long. Downloaded games can't be resold, which should make Sony and Microsoft happy.
> >
> There are two big impediments to disc-free consoles, retailers and game makers. I asked this
> question to console makers years ago and they all said the same thing and still say it now.
>
> 1) If you don't have discs you don't have retail sales. This of course cuts out retailers but
> boosts profits for the devs and console makers. That said not having a retail channel pretty much
> screws you, the consoles sell are roughly zero margins so there is no incentive for anyone to
> carry them. Also consumers like boxes to keep on the shelf and look at which leads us to...

So I don't know how things are elsewhere, but here (in Finland) it's easier to buy a Bluray or even CD player than it is to find someone who sells CDs or Blurays. I don't see how things would be much different for game consoles.

> 2) Almost every AAA game has a 'special edition' that comes with a plastic coin, trinket,
> helmet, or whatever. These sell for a lot. A $3 plastic thingy makes a $59 game a $189
> experience, I'll let you work out the profit margins on both variants yourself. You can
> do the same with DL games but, well, not nearly as many people give a shit.

If that's such great business, why the hell it is so hard to buy those special editions outside the major markets? Either they aren't that great business, or the publishers are idiots who can't handle the logistics to get the special editions to more than few countries most of the time.

> It isn't about can or whether it is a smart technical idea, such things aren't really of consequence
> to planner. Making money is and a BD drive makes a _LOT_ of money. If they are giving that up, there
> is a good reason for them to do so, or they are abjectly stupid.

There are lots of console owners who never buy anything on disk and their numbers are going up. Just like many people never buy DVD or Bluray movies, because one or half a dozen subscription services is just so much less trouble.

> You will note that MS still sells boxes
> of 'office' and 'windows' at retail. They contain a piece of paper with a code in them, that's it. But
> they still do it. Don't expect discs to go away any time soon even if nothing uses them.

Well, I don't expect them to go away. You can still buy Windows 10 on DVD or on USB media. It's quite telling that even though I assembled a new desktop for myself about two months ago, I don't remember which one I chose. Probably the DVD version, since that's the only one available in OEM form (in the store where I bought it).

I haven't seen anyone suggest that PS5 would not have a model with optical drive, but the fact is that MS already announced such version of Xbox One. I don't see why Sony's position would be so different that PS5 couldn't have such version too.

-JLarja
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