Expiry of x86-64 patents

By: Beastian (noemail.delete@this.aol.com), April 19, 2019 11:10 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on April 19, 2019 10:40 am wrote:
> Beastian (noemail.delete@this.aol.com) on April 19, 2019 9:05 am wrote:
> > Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> > which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> > open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
> >
> > The basic architecture including importantly the memory model could freely be implemented in hardware
> > once that core instruction set falls out of patent; I'm unclear about the amount of traction that later
> > Intel instructions have gotten in common software, but emulation could at least ensure compatibility.
> > Competition in x86 implementation has languished for long
> > stretches of time, though it has seen a resurgence
> > as of late; compare that to the ARM ecosystem which has seen vast improvements due to a larger number
> > of implementers: Apple, Qualcomm, nVidia, Samsung, ARM, Applied Micro and Cavium.
>
>
> Who would be interested in making an x86-64 compatible CPU? I know, I know, someone is going to suggest "Apple"
> so they can have a dual x64/ARM64 SoC for the Mac to ease the transition, but ignoring them, who?
>
> Some may point to China, but AMD already sells some pretty cheap CPUs so unless they can do a good
> enough design to match higher end AMD/Intel CPUs what's the point? And if they were going to do
> it, they wouldn't wait until the patents expire - they would have started the design years ago so
> it could be ready when the patents expire. Surely someone would have caught wind of it by now.

That's a good lead, and you were right:

https://fuse.wikichip.org/news/733/zhaoxin-launches-their-highest-performance-chinese-x86-chips/

There was one of these tech transfer deals that involved AMD as well:

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/07/10/amd_china/

It may not make much of a difference yet as you can't sell them easily in the U.S. and the E.U. prior to patent expiry though.
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