By: Yuhong Bao (yuhongbao_386.delete@this.hotmail.com), April 20, 2019 2:32 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Beastian (noemail.delete@this.aol.com) on April 19, 2019 9:05 am wrote:
> Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
>
> The basic architecture including importantly the memory model could freely be implemented in hardware
> once that core instruction set falls out of patent; I'm unclear about the amount of traction that later
> Intel instructions have gotten in common software, but emulation could at least ensure compatibility.
> Competition in x86 implementation has languished for long stretches of time, though it has seen a resurgence
> as of late; compare that to the ARM ecosystem which has seen vast improvements due to a larger number
> of implementers: Apple, Qualcomm, nVidia, Samsung, ARM, Applied Micro and Cavium.
Most of the x86-64 patents are owned by AMD. Most of the SSE2 patents are owned by Intel. I would imagine that AMD would be more willing to license their patents than Intel would, right?
> Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
>
> The basic architecture including importantly the memory model could freely be implemented in hardware
> once that core instruction set falls out of patent; I'm unclear about the amount of traction that later
> Intel instructions have gotten in common software, but emulation could at least ensure compatibility.
> Competition in x86 implementation has languished for long stretches of time, though it has seen a resurgence
> as of late; compare that to the ARM ecosystem which has seen vast improvements due to a larger number
> of implementers: Apple, Qualcomm, nVidia, Samsung, ARM, Applied Micro and Cavium.
Most of the x86-64 patents are owned by AMD. Most of the SSE2 patents are owned by Intel. I would imagine that AMD would be more willing to license their patents than Intel would, right?
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 09:05 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 09:46 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 10:06 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 10:44 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 11:12 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 12:41 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2019/04/19 01:18 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 02:35 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | IntelUser2000 | 2020/10/30 02:17 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 07:49 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | me | 2020/10/30 09:47 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 09:52 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Mark Roulo | 2020/10/30 10:21 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 11:29 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Mark Roulo | 2020/10/30 11:42 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 09:04 PM |
SIMD syntax | hobold | 2020/10/31 06:54 AM |
SIMD syntax | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/31 09:14 AM |
SIMD syntax | hobold | 2020/11/01 08:22 AM |
SIMD syntax | Jukka Larja | 2020/11/01 11:11 AM |
SIMD syntax | hobold | 2020/11/02 05:33 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | me | 2020/10/31 03:01 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/31 09:23 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Foo_ | 2020/11/01 04:48 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/11/01 07:01 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Adrian | 2020/10/30 12:02 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Bigos | 2020/10/30 01:20 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Geoff Langdale | 2019/04/19 02:52 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 09:38 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Yuhong Bao | 2019/04/20 02:35 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Doug S | 2019/04/19 10:40 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 11:10 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2019/04/20 08:15 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2020/10/28 06:42 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | anyone | 2019/04/20 07:11 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Groo | 2019/04/20 07:29 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | wumpus | 2019/04/20 08:32 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | blaine | 2020/10/30 12:03 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | David Kanter | 2020/10/30 08:59 PM |
Intel vs AMD patents | Yuhong Bao | 2019/04/20 02:32 PM |
Intel vs AMD patents | Beastian | 2019/04/20 03:35 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Travis Downs | 2019/04/20 07:24 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | none | 2019/04/21 07:36 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | somebody | 2019/11/27 10:44 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Anon3 | 2019/11/27 05:16 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Travis Downs | 2019/11/27 06:17 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Montaray Jack | 2019/11/28 12:03 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | none | 2019/11/28 01:57 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | dmcq | 2019/11/28 11:20 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Montaray Jack | 2019/11/29 05:00 AM |