By: Yuhong Bao (yuhongbao_386.delete@this.hotmail.com), April 20, 2019 2:32 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Beastian (noemail.delete@this.aol.com) on April 19, 2019 9:05 am wrote:
> Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
>
> The basic architecture including importantly the memory model could freely be implemented in hardware
> once that core instruction set falls out of patent; I'm unclear about the amount of traction that later
> Intel instructions have gotten in common software, but emulation could at least ensure compatibility.
> Competition in x86 implementation has languished for long stretches of time, though it has seen a resurgence
> as of late; compare that to the ARM ecosystem which has seen vast improvements due to a larger number
> of implementers: Apple, Qualcomm, nVidia, Samsung, ARM, Applied Micro and Cavium.
Most of the x86-64 patents are owned by AMD. Most of the SSE2 patents are owned by Intel. I would imagine that AMD would be more willing to license their patents than Intel would, right?
> Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
>
> The basic architecture including importantly the memory model could freely be implemented in hardware
> once that core instruction set falls out of patent; I'm unclear about the amount of traction that later
> Intel instructions have gotten in common software, but emulation could at least ensure compatibility.
> Competition in x86 implementation has languished for long stretches of time, though it has seen a resurgence
> as of late; compare that to the ARM ecosystem which has seen vast improvements due to a larger number
> of implementers: Apple, Qualcomm, nVidia, Samsung, ARM, Applied Micro and Cavium.
Most of the x86-64 patents are owned by AMD. Most of the SSE2 patents are owned by Intel. I would imagine that AMD would be more willing to license their patents than Intel would, right?
| Topic | Posted By | Date |
|---|---|---|
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 09:05 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 09:46 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 10:06 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 10:44 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 11:12 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 12:41 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2019/04/19 01:18 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 02:35 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Geoff Langdale | 2019/04/19 02:52 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 09:38 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Yuhong Bao | 2019/04/20 02:35 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Doug S | 2019/04/19 10:40 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 11:10 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2019/04/20 08:15 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | anyone | 2019/04/20 07:11 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Groo | 2019/04/20 07:29 AM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | wumpus | 2019/04/20 08:32 AM |
| Intel vs AMD patents | Yuhong Bao | 2019/04/20 02:32 PM |
| Intel vs AMD patents | Beastian | 2019/04/20 03:35 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | Travis Downs | 2019/04/20 07:24 PM |
| Expiry of x86-64 patents | none | 2019/04/21 07:36 AM |
