By: Montaray Jack (none.delete@this.none.org), November 27, 2019 11:03 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
none (none.delete@this.none.com) on April 21, 2019 6:36 am wrote:
> Travis Downs (travis.downs.delete@this.gmail.com) on April 20, 2019 7:24 pm wrote:
> > Beastian (noemail.delete@this.aol.com) on April 19, 2019 9:05 am wrote:
> > > Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> > > which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> > > open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
> >
> > The "x86-64" patents are only one part of the patent puzzle.
> >
> > There is a huge mass of patents, not all expiring soon, on CPU implementation - much
> > of which isn't specific to x86, which can also be used to keep competitors out.
> >
> > Just do a patent search for Intel as the assignee and ask yourself if you can easily
> > implement a high performance CPU without using any of those techniques.
>
> I wonder how that applies to software emulation/DBT. I guess some of Intel patents do
> apply since they threatened MS.
>
> > Now, it is my opinion that almost everyone in the CPU space regularly and mutually violate
> > each others implementation patents, but it is rarely litigated because (a) the implementation
> > is often invisible and thus hard to prosecute and (b) mutually assured destruction.
> >
> > Exceptions who actually do litigate frequently include WARF who, by virtue of not making CPUs themselves
> > don't need to worry about (b), although it is not exactly clear to be how they deal with (a), i.e.,
> > how they know a particular patented technique is being used. Perhaps observation of behavior is enough,
> > for patents written "behaviorally" rather than wrt a specific hardware implementation.
>
> There might not be mutual destruction but I for sure will never consider anyone from
> Wisconsin for a job in my team.
You do know that Seymour Cray was from Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Don't you?
> Travis Downs (travis.downs.delete@this.gmail.com) on April 20, 2019 7:24 pm wrote:
> > Beastian (noemail.delete@this.aol.com) on April 19, 2019 9:05 am wrote:
> > > Does anyone think that the upcoming expiry of patents on the core x86-64 instruction set
> > > which includes SSE2, maybe sooner than 2023 (as the Athlon 64 was introduced in 2003) would
> > > open the flood gates for third party implementations of compatible processors?
> >
> > The "x86-64" patents are only one part of the patent puzzle.
> >
> > There is a huge mass of patents, not all expiring soon, on CPU implementation - much
> > of which isn't specific to x86, which can also be used to keep competitors out.
> >
> > Just do a patent search for Intel as the assignee and ask yourself if you can easily
> > implement a high performance CPU without using any of those techniques.
>
> I wonder how that applies to software emulation/DBT. I guess some of Intel patents do
> apply since they threatened MS.
>
> > Now, it is my opinion that almost everyone in the CPU space regularly and mutually violate
> > each others implementation patents, but it is rarely litigated because (a) the implementation
> > is often invisible and thus hard to prosecute and (b) mutually assured destruction.
> >
> > Exceptions who actually do litigate frequently include WARF who, by virtue of not making CPUs themselves
> > don't need to worry about (b), although it is not exactly clear to be how they deal with (a), i.e.,
> > how they know a particular patented technique is being used. Perhaps observation of behavior is enough,
> > for patents written "behaviorally" rather than wrt a specific hardware implementation.
>
> There might not be mutual destruction but I for sure will never consider anyone from
> Wisconsin for a job in my team.
You do know that Seymour Cray was from Chippewa Falls, Wisconsin. Don't you?
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 08:05 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 08:46 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 09:06 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 09:44 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 10:12 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 11:41 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2019/04/19 12:18 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Gian-Carlo Pascutto | 2019/04/19 01:35 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | IntelUser2000 | 2020/10/30 01:17 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 06:49 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | me | 2020/10/30 08:47 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 08:52 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Mark Roulo | 2020/10/30 09:21 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 10:29 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Mark Roulo | 2020/10/30 10:42 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/30 08:04 PM |
SIMD syntax | hobold | 2020/10/31 05:54 AM |
SIMD syntax | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/31 08:14 AM |
SIMD syntax | hobold | 2020/11/01 07:22 AM |
SIMD syntax | Jukka Larja | 2020/11/01 10:11 AM |
SIMD syntax | hobold | 2020/11/02 04:33 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | me | 2020/10/31 02:01 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/10/31 08:23 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Foo_ | 2020/11/01 03:48 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2020/11/01 06:01 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Adrian | 2020/10/30 11:02 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Bigos | 2020/10/30 12:20 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Geoff Langdale | 2019/04/19 01:52 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Jukka Larja | 2019/04/19 08:38 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Yuhong Bao | 2019/04/20 01:35 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Doug S | 2019/04/19 09:40 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Beastian | 2019/04/19 10:10 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2019/04/20 07:15 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Robert Williams | 2020/10/28 05:42 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | anyone | 2019/04/20 06:11 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Groo | 2019/04/20 06:29 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | wumpus | 2019/04/20 07:32 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | blaine | 2020/10/30 11:03 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | David Kanter | 2020/10/30 07:59 PM |
Intel vs AMD patents | Yuhong Bao | 2019/04/20 01:32 PM |
Intel vs AMD patents | Beastian | 2019/04/20 02:35 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Travis Downs | 2019/04/20 06:24 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | none | 2019/04/21 06:36 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | somebody | 2019/11/27 09:44 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Anon3 | 2019/11/27 04:16 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Travis Downs | 2019/11/27 05:17 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Montaray Jack | 2019/11/27 11:03 PM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | none | 2019/11/28 12:57 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | dmcq | 2019/11/28 10:20 AM |
Expiry of x86-64 patents | Montaray Jack | 2019/11/29 04:00 AM |