Intel's roadmap

By: wumpus (lost.delete@this.in.a.cave), May 14, 2019 6:52 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on May 13, 2019 1:24 pm wrote:
> Alberto (git.delete@this.git.it) on May 13, 2019 9:44 am wrote:
> > Laurent (anon.delete@this.anon.com) on May 13, 2019 8:37 am wrote:
> > > Intel released their roadmap for the next few years.
> > >
> > > https://www.nextplatform.com/2019/05/13/intel-gives-moores-law-a-makeover/
> > > https://www.anandtech.com/show/14312/intel-process-technology-roadmap-refined-nodes-specialized-technologies
> > >
> > > How credible is it?
> > >
> > > Best quote: “And what I have found in discussions with many of you is the perception
> > > that Intel’s process innovation has slowed down during this time.”
> >
> > As lithography slowed down, Intel slowed down.
> > As new nodes not allowed higher clocks anymore, Intel slowed down.
>
>
> Are you for real? Are you seriously trying to suggest that Intel deliberately faceplanted on 10nm because it
> "not allowed higher clocks anymore" so they changed their plans for 10nm rollout and decided to "slow down"?
>
> Intel had some short delays getting 14nm out the door, but 10nm has been
> a giant fiasco and anyone who suggests otherwise is living in fantasyland.

It would be possible to believe that Intel wasn't terribly interested in 10nm and underfunded it at first, and ignored any signs or warnings that things were going terribly wrong. Once they admitted what was going on, it was too late to rush in and get things remotely on schedule.

One problem with this idea is that Intel was committed to low power mobile designs for a long time, and I doubt that the whole organization wheeled fast enough to stop caring about low power 10nm when they threw in the towel on mobile (even assuming that happened early enough in 10nm development to significantly change process development).

The other issue is that Intel has historically lead process innovation: to intentionally give up this advantage is so un-Intel that it should require some extraordinary evidence. Merely showing that they faceplanted on 10nm isn't enough.
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Intel's roadmapLaurent2019/05/13 07:37 AM
  Intel's roadmapAlberto2019/05/13 08:44 AM
    Intel's roadmapblue2019/05/13 09:26 AM
    Intel's roadmapMaynard Handley2019/05/13 10:04 AM
      Intel's roadmapAdrian2019/05/13 12:15 PM
      Actually not bad for IntelChester Lam2019/05/14 04:26 PM
        Actually not bad for IntelMaynard Handley2019/05/14 05:33 PM
          Actually not bad for IntelChester Lam2019/05/14 07:52 PM
            Easily, just grab the LN2... (NT)blue2019/05/14 09:41 PM
            Actually not bad for IntelMaynard Handley2019/05/14 10:32 PM
              Application mattersChester Lam2019/05/15 02:15 AM
      Intel's roadmapAlberto2019/05/15 06:58 AM
        Intel's roadmapnone2019/05/15 07:25 AM
        Intel's roadmapChester Lam2019/05/15 07:32 AM
          Sh*** is Sh** foreverAlberto2019/05/15 07:47 AM
            Sh*** is Sh** forevernone2019/05/15 08:05 AM
              benchmarks...Chester Lam2019/05/15 08:33 AM
                benchmarks...none2019/05/15 09:09 AM
                  benchmarks...Chester Lam2019/05/15 03:51 PM
                    benchmarks...Doug S2019/05/16 12:10 PM
                      benchmarks...chester lam2019/05/16 02:20 PM
                        benchmarks...Doug S2019/05/16 02:28 PM
                          benchmarks...chester lam2019/05/16 03:00 PM
                            benchmarks...Doug S2019/05/17 02:39 AM
                              benchmarks...Chester Lam2019/05/17 03:54 AM
                                benchmarks...Doug S2019/05/17 10:52 AM
                                  because per-core perf has stagnatedchester lam2019/05/17 12:55 PM
                                    because per-core perf has stagnatedNathan2019/05/17 01:54 PM
                                      because per-core perf has stagnatedAdrian2019/05/17 09:39 PM
                                        because per-core perf has stagnatedchester lam2019/05/19 05:32 PM
                                          because per-core perf has stagnatedAdrian2019/05/19 08:09 PM
                                            because per-core perf has stagnatedFoo_2019/05/19 11:58 PM
                                              because per-core perf has stagnatedMichael S2019/05/20 12:48 AM
                                                because per-core perf has stagnatedAdrian2019/05/20 02:12 AM
                                                  because per-core perf has stagnatedMichael S2019/05/20 03:23 AM
                                                    because per-core perf has stagnatedMichael S2019/05/20 06:07 AM
                                                  because per-core perf has stagnatedAdrian2019/05/20 03:28 AM
                                                    because per-core perf has stagnatedMichael S2019/05/20 06:15 AM
                                                  because per-core perf has stagnatednone2019/05/20 03:41 AM
                      benchmarks...Maynard Handley2019/05/16 03:35 PM
                        benchmarks...dmcq2019/05/20 07:15 AM
                    benchmarks...Maxwell2019/05/16 09:47 PM
            Sh*** is Sh** foreverAnon2019/05/15 08:43 AM
    Intel's roadmapDoug S2019/05/13 12:24 PM
      Intel's roadmapwumpus2019/05/14 06:52 AM
      Intel's roadmapAlberto2019/05/15 07:10 AM
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