By: none (, May 15, 2019 9:09 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Chester Lam ( on May 15, 2019 9:33 am wrote:
> none ( on May 15, 2019 9:05 am wrote:
> > Alberto ( on May 15, 2019 8:47 am wrote:
> > > Chester Lam ( on May 15, 2019 8:32 am wrote:
> ...
> > > > But only having Geekbench to compare shows the A12X's real
> > > > problem: software. The reason we aren't comparing with
> > > > real world loads like big project compiles or rendering is because the software isn't there for the A12X.
> > >
> > > On Anandtech A12 core had an edge over Skylake but not so dramatic at edge.
> > > Too bad they utilized Spec benchmark.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately Geek is done to hipe ARM ark with ARM money. Fortunately server space
> > > guys are not dumb enough and ARM adventure in server arena was a colossal failure.
> Any evidence of this? Also,
> > Would you be nice enough and do us a favor, get back to your cave where every troll
> > belongs?
> Or find some common ground?

Discussion with Alberto has been repeatedly proven impossible in the past.

> Yes, spec and geekbench are not real world benchmarks. It's dumb to say cpu
> A is better than cpu B because it scores higher in geekbench or spec.

Agreed. But you'll never find a set of benchmarks that will satisfy everybody :-)

A thing that is sure is that Apple chips have never been used publicly as server chips,
and the sets of benchmarks that we have seen doesn't prove they would be any good, or
bad, at that. You can't even run JIT workloads (Java) on iOS (except for Apple provided
Javascript engine).

> But at the same time, geekbench and spec can still be interesting. Individual tests can show cpu A prioritized
> floating point vector performance, or whatever. I do wish they focused on specific microarchitectural details,
> like figuring out decode width, ROB size, etc. A 'Lua' or 'JPEG' test doesn't tell me much.

Those micro-architectural features are interesting but they don't tell the whole story.
What I'd like to see is an Apple chip with an OS not as restrictive as iOS is. That
would enable the community to run any kind of program.

OTOH any comparison that has been made of Apple vs competition, Intel or other ARM
vendors, all show that the Apple micro-arch is really good.
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