By: Doug S (, May 16, 2019 3:28 pm
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chester lam ( on May 16, 2019 3:20 pm wrote:
> Doug S ( on May 16, 2019 1:10 pm wrote:
> > Chester Lam ( on May 15, 2019 4:51 pm wrote:
> > > If Apple brought a 4 GHz A12X-like CPU to the desktop market,
> > > they might get some decent market share. We can dream right?
> >
> >
> > Why? How big do you think the market is of "people who need more performance on the desktop"?
> > You say it doesn't make a difference for mobile because performance is already "good enough"
> > there, but I'd argue performance on the desktop has been "good enough" for over a decade.
> > Desktops got a huge jump in real world performance by switching to SSDs, for most people
> > that difference was more noticeable than if they had a CPU clocked at 20 GHz.
> "people who need more performance on desktop" is a pretty big market. Here are some examples:

  • Video encoding - this can take hours with a high quality preset

  • >
  • Compiling large projects - can take 15-20 minutes on a 3.6 GHz quad core haswell

  • >
  • Rendering - can take hours to get enough raytracing samples

  • >
  • Gaming - some badly optimized games like ESO feel noticeably
    > smoother when I overclock to 4.5 GHz (up from 3.6 GHz stock)

  • >
  • Stitching pictures to create a panorama - the alignment process can take minutes

  • >

> Of these, rendering and video encoding can scale across a large number of cores. Compilation
> is a mix of single threaded and multi threaded perf. Sometimes it can use all eight threads,
> sometimes only 2-3. Gaming is also a mix, but single threaded perf really matters.
> SSDs improve loading times, but they won't make a CPU-bound program any faster.

Sure, you've listed things that only a couple percent of people do, plus games which mostly don't run on macOS anyway.

So how is this tiny niche of people who render or encode or compile going to lead to "decent market share" for Apple?
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