This was a comparison to put the "high clock" in context

By: Dummond D. Slow (, April 20, 2020 8:55 am
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David Kanter ( on April 19, 2020 7:27 pm wrote:
> Dummond D. Slow ( on April 18, 2020 9:27 am wrote:
> > another anon ( on April 17, 2020 11:13 pm wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, AMD's Renoir 4C/4T Ryzen 3 4300U has a base frequency of 2700Mhz at 15W. If they felt like
> > > playing in the 28W space directly, one would think they might be able to have a fairly compelling
> > > product with either way higher base clocks or many more cores/threads at a similar power level.
> > > So calling Coffee Lake best in class might not be the best description any more.
> > >
> >
> > AMD has 8 cores 16 threads at 3.0 Ghz base and 4.3 GHz (or perhaps 4.4
> > not advertised, it's not clear) maximum boost in 35W (Ryzen 9 4900HS).
> >
> > It's the same design as their 15W chips just with scaled up power draw limits, so yeah.
> I have no interest in 8C chips for client systems. 4C/8T is pretty much optimal.
> This gets at the fundamental problem for AMD. More cores is
> valuable for some servers, and almost no client systems.
> As an educated consumer, I want a small number of fast cores.
> David

As an educated customer, I'd want energy efficiency too so that the fan doesn't spin up when CPU is loaded as much and so on. If I just went after maximum single thread performance, I could end up with some turbocharged Skylake at 4,9-5,3 GHz that probably draws over 25W in single thread.

My point was something else though: assuming 28W TDP, that 3 GHz base clock on a quadcore isn't that impressive if AMD can get close to that with eight cores. I don't know the IPC of Tiger Lake but it's unlikely to be say 40 % better than Zen 2, so it looks the power efficiency of Tiger Lake & 10nm Intel process still isn't something stellar. Well, it's years late compared to some original plans, so that should not be too surprising.
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            This was a comparison to put the "high clock" in contextDummond D. Slow2020/04/20 08:55 AM
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