By: anon (no.delete@this.thank.you), June 22, 2020 5:55 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Anne O. Nymous (not.delete@this.real.address) on June 22, 2020 2:48 pm wrote:
> Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on June 22, 2020 2:25 pm wrote:
> > Chester (lamchester.delete@this.gmail.com) on June 22, 2020 1:32 pm wrote:
> > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on June 22, 2020 11:44 am wrote:
> > > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on June 22, 2020 11:26 am wrote:
> > > > > It's real!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well we saw something of how x86 apps will work.
> > > > Any comments from the various people making strong claims regarding this?
> > > > Of particular interest was (img)
> > >
> > > We haven't seen much in terms of CPU performance. Several comments:
> > > I think they're trying to show graphics acceleration works properly on the
> > > A12Z and Rosetta 2 is functional. There was no attempt to show A12Z being competitive
> > > with desktop Intel/AMD chips - even ones from a few years ago.
> >
> > The point of the exercise is to reassure customers that "all the apps you know and love will work
> > without a hitch". The point is NOT to show tech-heads how much faster one CPU is than another.
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> Funny, my take on this was that apple learned a lesson from last time, and made sure the biggest
> players like Ms and Adobe were on board so that quite a lot of customers will never really
> need to rely on Rosetta 2 (and avoid another awkward Quark Xpress situation*) ...
> Which is a smart move, make emulation possible but offer convenient pathways to help
> avoid needing to actually use it in the first place. Now given Apples depreciation
> cycle Rosetta2 will probably not b with us for a very long time anyways. ;0
>
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> *) I seem to remember that Adobe used the past transitions to leapfrog
> past competitors that were not willing to go native soon.
Just curious, but is there any indication that MacOS may become a walled garden, like iOS, after the Mac switch to ARM?
I mean all applications coming only from the Apple Store.
> Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on June 22, 2020 2:25 pm wrote:
> > Chester (lamchester.delete@this.gmail.com) on June 22, 2020 1:32 pm wrote:
> > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on June 22, 2020 11:44 am wrote:
> > > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on June 22, 2020 11:26 am wrote:
> > > > > It's real!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Well we saw something of how x86 apps will work.
> > > > Any comments from the various people making strong claims regarding this?
> > > > Of particular interest was (img)
> > >
> > > We haven't seen much in terms of CPU performance. Several comments:
- Showing off Word/Excel/Powerpoint is strange. Those apps run fine on an underclocked Atom
- DNG files in Lightroom - weird they didn't show exporting/raw conversion. Getting
> > > low res previews of effects was very fast on 2013-era mobile Haswell. Maybe they didn't
> > > show export because FPU performance is one of Intel's strengths (2x256-bit AVX execution
> > > units), and processing high res images really takes advantage of that. - Maya - I don't have Maya, but Blender's workspace view is a very light GPU load. I suspect it's the
> > > same for Maya. If they were confident in CPU performance, they'd show a CPU render. They did not. - Playback of multiple 4K streams - just means their GPU has a
> > > modern video engine. Intel's iGPUs could do this years ago - Tomb Raider - they ran through a small, isolated area without any enemies/allies
> > > present. I expect the weakest CPUs to have no trouble with that.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think they're trying to show graphics acceleration works properly on the
> > > A12Z and Rosetta 2 is functional. There was no attempt to show A12Z being competitive
> > > with desktop Intel/AMD chips - even ones from a few years ago.
> >
> > The point of the exercise is to reassure customers that "all the apps you know and love will work
> > without a hitch". The point is NOT to show tech-heads how much faster one CPU is than another.
>
>
> Funny, my take on this was that apple learned a lesson from last time, and made sure the biggest
> players like Ms and Adobe were on board so that quite a lot of customers will never really
> need to rely on Rosetta 2 (and avoid another awkward Quark Xpress situation*) ...
> Which is a smart move, make emulation possible but offer convenient pathways to help
> avoid needing to actually use it in the first place. Now given Apples depreciation
> cycle Rosetta2 will probably not b with us for a very long time anyways. ;0
>
>
>
>
> *) I seem to remember that Adobe used the past transitions to leapfrog
> past competitors that were not willing to go native soon.
Just curious, but is there any indication that MacOS may become a walled garden, like iOS, after the Mac switch to ARM?
I mean all applications coming only from the Apple Store.