Alder Lake and AVX-512

By: Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), July 12, 2020 11:35 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Geoff Langdale (geoff.langdale.delete@this.gmail.com) on July 11, 2020 11:45 pm wrote:
>
> It's not clear to me whether you view AVX2 in the same light, btw - what do you think
> of AVX2 circa 2020?

No honestly, I'm not a huge fan of AVX2 either. But then. wasn't a huge fan of MMX or the original AVX. And no, before you ask, it's not like I hold up the original i387 FPU as some shining example either ;)

None of them are what you would call anything like remotely clean, and none of them were ever designed to be sanely extensible, nor were any of them ever designed to be able to be used independently of each other.

You get the worst of both worlds.

Just for an example of that "independently" issue: there are a ton of loads that could have used the original MMX instructions, but because it perturbs the state of the previous FPU side, you couldn't actually do that. It was an all-or-nothing change, and it hurt people. Badly.

It's not even about the mixed code case (although that famously happened too), it's about the "occasional use". There are lots of situations where you might want to have a small helper, and it would make sense to use a single vector register or two, and you do a couple of ops, and you save/restore only those registers.

And that fundamentally has never worked in the Intel world, because of the state dirtying. Using MME/SSE dirties the FPU state even if you're careful and try to save/restore things, so you were supposed to do a full state save and init and restore. So any "I could use this in a tiny" way helper functions were completely doomed.

(And by "completely doomed", I mean that some people did it anyway, and it mostly worked, I think).

Now, that said, do I hate MMX/SSE/AVX/AVX2 with the same burning passion as AVX512? No. Because there's a big difference between them.

MMX/SSE was a first-attempt (plus fixes). The i387 was a particularly nasty thing to be compatible with anyway, it's entirely understandable why it was done the way it was done. In hindsight, maybe it could have been done better, but a "in hindsight" argument is always complete BS. So that's not a valid argument. MMX/SSE was fine.

AVX/AVX2 were reasonable cleanups and honestly, I don't think 256 bits is a huge pain even as a baseline. And Intel has been good about keeping AVX always there. Afaik, new CPU's really have gotten AVX reliably. So it hasn't been a fragmentation issue, and while I think it has the same state dirtying issue ("helper function using MMX instructions and saves/restores the instructions it modifies will be clearing upper bits in AVX registers and trashing state"), I think it was a fairly reasonable extension.

So again, AVX/AVX2 was fine. Was it "lovely"? No. But I think it's a reasonable baseline.

So what's different with AVX512?

One fundamental difference is that fragmentation issue. It came up before AVX512 was even out, with the failed multi-core Knights atoms having a completely different versions. But it's really been obvious lately, with even today, in CPU's being sold, it being a "marketing feature".

But the other - and to me really annoying - fundamental issue is "by now, you should have damn well have learnt from your mistakes".

Here, look at the real competition for Intel and x86 long-term: ARM. They had an equally disgusting and horrendously bad FPU situation originally. Yes, their FPU situation was differently bad from the i387, but the whole soft-FP vs VFP vs random other implementations was arguably worse than Intel ever had, even if at the time, you would find the usual ARM fanbois that made excuses for just how horrendous the situation was.

But then ARM got their act together, and NEON happened. I'd say that was roughly the equivalent to SSE, because I'll call the original mess of nasty shit comparable to the nofp/i387/IBM-mis-wiring-the-exception-pin/MMX era. The timing may not line up, but with NEON, ARM at least had gotten rid of their messy lack of standards, and I think it's fair to compare it to Intel and SSE conceptually.

So ARM did SVE, and I'll call that their AVX/AVX2. But now you see signs of differences. Part of it is just the name. "S" for "Scalable". ARM is starting to do something interesting and fundamentally different from what AVX was for Intel.

And then ARM designed SVE2, and again, let's see how it actually plays out in real life, but I think it has the potential to be their "AVX512 done right". And they designed it to have a reasonable downgrade/upgrade path, to be extensible, to do that masking and memory accesses etc that is so important for compilers to auto-parallelize.

Honestly, if I were into HPC and vectorization, I'd be all in on the ARM bandwagon.

As it happens, I'm not into HPC and vectorization, and it's possible that exactly because I'm not into it, I'm missing why SVE2 has some horrible problems. And I realize that AVX512 does some things that a very very very small minority of people care deeply about (I don't know why, but some people really love the shuffle instructions and will put up with absolutely anything if they get them).

So just as a bystander, I'm looking at AVX512, and I'm looking at SVE2, and I'm going "AVX512 really is nasty, isn't it"?

And by now it's the third big generation, and the "it wasn't clear what the right answer was" is no longer an excuse for doing things wrong. People knew that scaling up and down the CPU stack was an issue. This wasn't something where Intel couldn't have seen it coming - when Intel was designing AVX512, Intel was still trying to also enter the smartphone and IoT area.

Have I sufficiently explained why I absolutely despise AVX512?

And yes, maybe in five years, AVX512 is there everywhere and my fragmentation argument goes away.

Buy maybe in five years, SVE2 is everywhere too, and is happily working in cellphones and in supercomputers, and I think I won't be the only person in the room that says "AVX512 is a butt-ugly disgrace".

We'll see, even if it might take years. I'm happy to be proven wrong.

And I'm here for the heated technical discussion anyway. Tell me why I'm a pinhead and a nincompoop, and why SVE2 is so bad, and why AVX512 is clearly better.

Because this forum is about architecture design and implementation, isn't it? So I think it's very fair to put down that gauntlet: AVX512 vs SVE2. "Gong plays" - FIGHT!

Linus
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                Thanks for the link (NT)David Kanter2020/07/12 06:43 PM
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          AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Anon2020/07/23 12:53 PM
            AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Paul A. Clayton2020/07/23 06:32 PM
              AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Anon2020/07/23 06:50 PM
                AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Paul A. Clayton2020/07/23 07:45 PM
                  AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Anon2020/07/23 08:15 PM
                    AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/24 04:44 AM
                      AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Gabriele Svelto2020/07/24 02:56 PM
                        AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jouni Osmala2020/07/24 09:22 PM
                          AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/25 01:32 AM
                      AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Eugene Nalimov2020/07/25 05:56 PM
                        AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/26 01:28 AM
                        AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Gabriele Svelto2020/07/26 02:22 PM
                          AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/27 07:00 AM
          AVX-512 with narrow ex units?-.-2020/07/23 06:32 PM
            AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Travis Downs2020/07/24 05:01 PM
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      Alder Lake and AVX-512Chester2020/07/11 05:26 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/11 06:22 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 02:02 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/07/13 09:01 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/11 06:54 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/11 08:01 PM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512N Owen2020/07/12 12:37 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 01:48 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 07:13 PM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/07/13 09:09 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 11:42 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/11 11:49 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 01:53 AM
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      Alder Lake and AVX-512Veedrac2020/07/11 07:43 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 01:31 AM
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            Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 03:26 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Anon32020/07/12 04:07 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 05:39 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Veedrac2020/07/12 04:21 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 05:33 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Veedrac2020/07/12 05:54 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 06:20 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512David Hess2020/07/12 07:32 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 08:41 PM
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                      PentiumMMX vs Transmeta's VLIW in hindsightMaynard Handley2020/07/19 10:47 AM
                      PentiumMMX vs Transmeta's VLIW in hindsightanon22020/07/19 03:24 PM
                      VLIW, OOO, Pairing, and FusionChester2020/07/19 10:16 PM
                        Poulson was in-order (NT)anon22020/07/20 12:20 AM
                        VLIW, OOO, Pairing, and FusionMichael S2020/07/20 12:48 AM
                        Itanium is NOT VLIWHeikki Kultala2020/07/20 02:27 PM
                          Itanium is NOT VLIWAdrian2020/07/20 11:03 PM
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                              Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?anon22020/07/21 05:03 AM
                                Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?dmcq2020/07/21 03:27 PM
                              Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?j2020/07/21 08:54 AM
                                Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?Tim McCaffrey2020/07/21 10:30 AM
                              Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?Linus Torvalds2020/07/21 09:13 AM
                                Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architectureHeikki Kultala2020/07/22 12:31 PM
                                  Turn that on its head?Ray2020/07/22 12:49 PM
                                    Turn that on its head?Anon2020/07/22 01:53 PM
                                    Turn that on its head?Maynard Handley2020/07/22 02:37 PM
                                    Turn that on its head?anon22020/07/22 03:32 PM
                                    Turn that on its head?anon32020/07/22 04:45 PM
                                    Turn that on its head?Heikki Kultala2020/07/23 02:53 AM
                                      Turn that on its head?Anon2020/07/23 10:20 AM
                                        Turn that on its head?Heikki Kultala2020/07/23 11:21 AM
                                          Turn that on its head?Brett2020/07/23 03:26 PM
                                            Turn that on its head?Brett2020/07/24 04:22 AM
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                                      Turn that on its head?anon2020/07/23 11:49 AM
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                                        what Intel would have doneDoug S2020/07/23 09:52 AM
                                        what Intel would have doneAnon2020/07/23 10:25 AM
                                          what Intel would have doneMichael S2020/07/23 11:23 AM
                                            what Intel would have doneMontaray Jack2020/07/23 06:08 PM
                                    Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architectureHeikki Kultala2020/07/22 11:47 PM
                                      Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecturewumpus2020/07/23 01:46 PM
                                  Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architectureMichael S2020/07/23 12:56 AM
                                    Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architectureHeikki Kultala2020/07/23 02:44 AM
                          thanksChester2020/07/24 03:50 PM
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        Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 01:36 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/12 12:01 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 02:41 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512rwessel2020/07/12 10:17 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/08/18 03:24 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/08/18 11:04 PM
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      Alder Lake and AVX-512anon2020/07/11 08:12 PM
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        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 03:00 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/12 08:51 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/12 10:30 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/13 07:43 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Montaray Jack2020/07/23 07:20 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/24 04:57 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 11:35 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 12:01 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 12:15 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/12 01:50 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 02:31 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/12 03:09 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 04:25 PM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/12 08:34 PM
                          Alder Lake and AVX-512Jose2020/07/13 01:35 AM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512gallier22020/07/13 02:11 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512gallier22020/07/13 02:01 AM
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                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/13 12:11 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Brett2020/07/14 02:34 AM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/14 09:02 AM
                          Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/14 12:40 PM
                            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/14 12:48 PM
                            Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/15 01:37 AM
                              OS X file names normalizationMichael S2020/07/15 02:26 AM
                                OS X file names normalizationSimon Farnsworth2020/07/15 04:16 AM
                                  OS X file names normalizationMichael S2020/07/15 10:51 AM
                                    OS X file names normalizationSimon Farnsworth2020/07/15 12:27 PM
                                OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/15 10:46 AM
                                  OS X file names normalizationMichael S2020/07/15 11:05 AM
                                    OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/15 12:58 PM
                                      OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/15 02:21 PM
                                      OS X file names normalizationgallier22020/07/15 11:57 PM
                                    OS X file names normalizationgallier22020/07/15 11:44 PM
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                                    OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/15 01:32 PM
                                      OS X file names normalizationMaynard Handley2020/07/15 05:20 PM
                                        OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/15 08:37 PM
                                          OS X file names normalizationAnon32020/07/16 01:43 PM
                                            OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/16 03:38 PM
                                              OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/17 12:21 AM
                                                OS X file names normalizationAnon32020/07/17 02:15 AM
                                                  OS X file names normalizationJukka Larja2020/07/17 06:40 AM
                                                OS X file names normalizationgallier22020/07/17 03:19 AM
                                                  OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/17 09:41 AM
                                                    OS X file names normalizationDummond D. Slow2020/07/17 09:54 AM
                                                      OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/17 10:16 AM
                                                      OS X file names normalizationSimon Farnsworth2020/07/18 06:12 AM
                                              OS X file names normalizationAnon32020/07/17 02:04 AM
                                                OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/17 10:15 AM
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                      vectorization of utf8anon22020/07/13 05:07 PM
                        vectorization of utf8Robert David Graham2020/07/13 08:36 PM
                          vectorization of utf8anon22020/07/13 11:23 PM
                        vectorization of utf8Maynard Handley2020/07/13 10:46 PM
                      vectorization of utf8Gabriele Svelto2020/07/15 03:27 AM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512gallier22020/07/14 01:13 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 01:29 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 02:08 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 06:26 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/12 07:11 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 07:43 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/13 08:38 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 10:10 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/13 11:02 AM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 11:22 AM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/13 12:10 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 04:03 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/14 06:53 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/11 08:34 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Brett2020/07/11 09:02 PM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512David Hess2020/07/13 12:36 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/13 01:01 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Brett2020/07/13 04:19 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Geert2020/07/11 09:36 PM
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              Is 3|5 lower than 4?Chester2020/07/12 05:54 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Geoff Langdale2020/07/11 11:45 PM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512me2020/07/12 03:44 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 04:09 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 11:35 AM
            ~80% of details are wrong. So what one can expect from conclusions? :( (NT)Michael S2020/07/12 11:57 AM
              ~80% of details are wrong. So what one can expect from conclusions? :(anonymous22020/07/12 12:50 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512nobody in particular2020/07/12 12:25 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 12:37 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512nobody in particular2020/07/12 12:43 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512me2020/07/12 01:32 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/12 08:51 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512UnmaskedUnderflow2020/07/12 12:33 PM
            AVX-512 vs SVE2-.-2020/07/12 06:22 PM
              AVX-512 vs SVE2noko2020/07/13 12:12 AM
                AVX-512 vs SVE2-.-2020/07/13 04:00 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Geoff Langdale2020/07/12 08:18 PM
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              Alder Lake and AVX-512Romain Dolbeau2020/07/15 01:00 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Spiteful Sprites2020/07/13 04:59 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512nobody in particular2020/07/13 09:12 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Spiteful Sprites2020/07/13 04:21 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Jouni Osmala2020/07/14 02:55 AM
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                    RISC-V & commercial support (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Romain Dolbeau2020/07/15 01:13 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/13 11:10 AM
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              AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)anon2020/07/14 10:53 AM
                AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Romain Dolbeau2020/07/14 11:27 AM
                  AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Maynard Handley2020/07/14 12:52 PM
                  AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Doug S2020/07/14 01:43 PM
                  AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)anon2020/07/14 03:01 PM
              AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Linus Torvalds2020/07/14 12:00 PM
                AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Romain Dolbeau2020/07/14 11:42 PM
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                    Configurable cache line size?dmcq2020/07/15 03:43 PM
                    Configurable cache line size?Romain Dolbeau2020/07/15 11:37 PM
                    Configurable cache line size?NoSpammer2020/07/16 01:27 AM
                    Configurable cache line size?Pixie2020/07/16 10:55 AM
                      Configurable cache line size?Etienne2020/07/17 01:03 AM
                        Configurable cache line size?Hugo Décharnes2020/07/18 02:11 AM
                  Cache line sizeMark Roulo2020/07/15 06:10 PM
                    Cache line sizeanon2020/07/15 06:46 PM
                  AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Gabriele Svelto2020/07/17 02:30 AM
                    AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)dmcq2020/07/17 03:34 AM
                      AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)zArchJon2020/07/17 01:16 PM
            Macro-instructions to the rescue2020/07/24 12:56 PM
              Some fundamentals haven't changedChester2020/07/24 03:59 PM
                Some fundamentals haven't changed2020/07/24 04:24 PM
                  Some fundamentals haven't changeddmcq2020/07/25 07:58 AM
                    Some fundamentals haven't changed2020/07/25 11:05 AM
                    Some fundamentals haven't changedBrett2020/07/25 02:16 PM
                      Some fundamentals haven't changedBrett2020/07/25 02:27 PM
                      What belt is.Heikki Kultala2020/07/26 07:49 AM
                        What belt is.Michael S2020/07/26 10:00 AM
                          What belt is.Brett2020/07/26 11:46 PM
                            What belt is.Michael S2020/07/27 12:52 AM
                              What belt is.Brett2020/07/27 07:25 AM
                                What belt is.Doug S2020/07/27 01:31 PM
                                  What belt is.Andrew Clough2020/07/28 06:11 AM
                                    What belt is.dmcq2020/07/28 08:17 AM
                                      Mill Compiler still MIA?Geoff Langdale2020/07/28 05:04 PM
                                        If they release the compiler, how they will blame the still-in-development compiler for the lacklust (NT)Anon2020/07/28 05:20 PM
                                          If they release the compiler, how they will blame the still-in-development compiler for the lacklustAnon2020/07/28 05:20 PM
                                        Apparently they're busy writing a kernel...Anon2020/07/29 03:03 AM
                                          Apparently they're busy writing a kernel...dmcq2020/07/29 03:39 AM
                        What belt is.2020/07/26 11:44 AM
                          What belt is.anonymous22020/07/26 12:02 PM
                            What belt is.Doug S2020/07/26 03:26 PM
                              What belt is.2020/07/26 04:02 PM
        gooduseruser2020/07/12 10:06 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/11 09:03 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/11 09:07 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512j2020/07/13 12:29 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/13 01:12 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512j2020/07/13 02:58 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/13 04:53 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/14 12:57 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/14 10:26 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/14 12:33 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/14 03:43 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 12:55 AM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 02:19 AM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 02:34 AM
                          Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 03:03 AM
                            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 09:43 AM
                              Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 09:54 AM
                                Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 11:35 AM
                                  Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 03:18 PM
                                    GV100 + POWER9Michael S2020/07/16 01:17 AM
                                      GV100 + POWER9dmcq2020/07/16 08:58 AM
                                        GV100 + POWER9dmcq2020/07/16 09:10 AM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 02:48 AM
    Alder Lake and AVX-512o2020/07/12 03:08 AM
    Alder Lake and AVX-5122020/07/12 11:07 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-5122020/07/12 11:32 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 11:39 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-5122020/07/12 12:47 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 01:18 PM
          x87 crapHeikki Kultala2020/07/12 01:30 PM
            x87 crapMichael S2020/07/12 01:37 PM
              x87 crapHeikki kultala2020/07/12 02:11 PM
                x87 crapMichael S2020/07/12 02:50 PM
                  Sparc and PA-RISC vs pentium FP performanceHeikki Kultala2020/07/13 01:14 AM
                    Sparc and PA-RISC vs pentium FP performanceanonymous22020/07/13 10:48 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/12 03:33 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 04:10 PM
    Alder Lake and AVX-512David Kanter2020/07/12 05:01 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512anon2020/07/12 05:40 PM
      ~0% of users do much FP outside of GPUs for games (NT)anonymous22020/07/12 05:47 PM
        ~0% of users do much FP outside of GPUs for gamesMaynard Handley2020/07/13 12:26 AM
        not trueChester2020/07/13 12:37 AM
          not trueMichael S2020/07/13 01:29 AM
            not trueChester2020/07/13 01:59 AM
              not trueanonymous22020/07/13 10:32 AM
                not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:30 PM
                  not trueChester2020/07/14 05:47 AM
            not trueDoug S2020/07/13 12:30 PM
              not trueAnon2020/07/13 01:16 PM
                not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:39 PM
              not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:38 PM
          not trueLinus Torvalds2020/07/13 11:27 AM
            not trueDummond D. Slow2020/07/13 02:10 PM
              not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:49 PM
                not trueDummond D. Slow2020/07/13 03:38 PM
            not true (about FP, not avx-512)Chester2020/07/17 10:37 AM
  Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/07/11 06:45 PM
    Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/11 06:57 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/12 04:26 PM
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