Alder Lake and AVX-512

By: Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org), July 13, 2020 11:06 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
gallier2 (gallier2.delete@this.gmx.de) on July 13, 2020 2:01 am wrote:
>
> The thing is, in practice you never need to count the number of codepoints (not character) in
> Unicode strings.

I agree wholeheartedly. I only said it's trivial to vectorize if you care, and you can use that (bad) information if you don't care enough about anything else.

In 99% of all cases, you should consider UTF-8 to be just a blob of bytes, and treat it exactly like you'd treat a regular string (whether with the C NUL termination or with a fancier counted character model). Use "strdup()" on it, not some kind of "utf8_copy()" garbage.

In fact, I will even argue against doing things like normalize things or check for utf8 encoding validity, unless you have very very strict reasons to do so. And then you should only do it at the point of actual user input, not some middle state. You simply don't need to normalize or care about encoding validity for the 99% of the grunt-work.

And the places where you need to really care, normalization and strict UTF-8 validity checks are the least of your problems, and you can do it then and be happy about how simple it is compared to the real problem you're facing.

The advantage? In many cases you may be able to treat strings as "blobs" regardless of encoding, and use common code for it all. If you have some legacy Latin1 mode (or Shift-JIS or whatever, to not be too culturally stereotypical), you don't want to be screwed by all your helper routines being d*ckheads about "this isn't well-formed UTF8", when they really don't care.

Normalization and "proper shortest encoding" things can also be huge security issues when you do them, so you should absolutely never ever do them in the middle of any processing. You'll get situations where you've checked for characters not existing, and then try to reformat things, and suddenly they are there, and your quoting (or whatever) got fooled.

So don't do it. Preferably always treat UTF8 as just a blob of bytes, pretty much until the time it's printed. At that point, print out an ugly thing that doesn't look like anything else for any bad behavior.

If you have to normalize, do it only at literal "untrusted user entry". In that graphical UI box that the user actually types in. Or that network input side processing that expects a character string. Do the normalization there, and do it before you start parsing anything. If you do it any later, you're screwed and did it wrong.

And in the 1% of cases where you need to do anything else, if you need to be very very careful to it right, and yes, the number of characters (*) is indeed almost always entirely immaterial, along with all the normalization worries etc.

Normalization (both of the UTF-8 encoding itself, and the Unicode kind of NFD/NFC normalization) simplifies some cases - like caseless compares - very slightly, but even then only when you do it really really badly. And it has real issues.

The reason the OS X filesystem is so bad is exactly that it does that re-normalization "in the middle" of the code flow. It doesn't normalize actual user input or something like that. It actually and literally corrupts data. It's unbelievable shit and was done by bad and evil people.

And then what is material tends to be so complicated that you basically need to do the whole full layout engine and font thing, and/or huge lookup tables and special cases for "compares equal in the current locale because whatever random sociohistorical issue". And pretty much nobody actually gets it fully right anyway, so it will just be an approximation.

A lot of Unicode operations are a bit like floating point without any guarantees of ULP. "Good enough for graphics and AI".

Linus

PS. (*) I use "character" and "codepoint" interchangeably. I know "codepoint" is more specific, but I find it very misleading when some people then use "character" for the actual visual representation of it. So it is imho much clearer to call those things "glyphs", and just live with the fact that "character" is the closest thing to the traditional ASCII model of a single Unicode codepoint.
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              AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Anon2020/07/23 06:50 PM
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                    AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/24 04:44 AM
                      AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Gabriele Svelto2020/07/24 02:56 PM
                        AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jouni Osmala2020/07/24 09:22 PM
                          AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/25 01:32 AM
                      AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Eugene Nalimov2020/07/25 05:56 PM
                        AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/26 01:28 AM
                        AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Gabriele Svelto2020/07/26 02:22 PM
                          AVX-512 with narrow ex units?Jukka Larja2020/07/27 07:00 AM
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      Alder Lake and AVX-512Chester2020/07/11 05:26 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/11 06:22 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 02:02 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/07/13 09:01 PM
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        Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/11 08:01 PM
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            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 01:48 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 07:13 PM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/07/13 09:09 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 11:42 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/11 11:49 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 01:53 AM
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            Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 03:26 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Anon32020/07/12 04:07 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 05:39 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Veedrac2020/07/12 04:21 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 05:33 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Veedrac2020/07/12 05:54 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512anon22020/07/12 06:20 PM
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                      PentiumMMX vs Transmeta's VLIW in hindsightanon22020/07/19 03:24 PM
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                        VLIW, OOO, Pairing, and FusionMichael S2020/07/20 12:48 AM
                        Itanium is NOT VLIWHeikki Kultala2020/07/20 02:27 PM
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                              Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?anon22020/07/21 05:03 AM
                                Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?dmcq2020/07/21 03:27 PM
                              Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?j2020/07/21 08:54 AM
                                Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?Tim McCaffrey2020/07/21 10:30 AM
                              Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it?Linus Torvalds2020/07/21 09:13 AM
                                Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architectureHeikki Kultala2020/07/22 12:31 PM
                                  Turn that on its head?Ray2020/07/22 12:49 PM
                                    Turn that on its head?Anon2020/07/22 01:53 PM
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                                    Turn that on its head?anon32020/07/22 04:45 PM
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                                      Turn that on its head?Anon2020/07/23 10:20 AM
                                        Turn that on its head?Heikki Kultala2020/07/23 11:21 AM
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                                        what Intel would have doneAnon2020/07/23 10:25 AM
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                          thanksChester2020/07/24 03:50 PM
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        Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/08/18 11:04 PM
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      Alder Lake and AVX-512anon2020/07/11 08:12 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/11 08:33 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 03:00 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/12 08:51 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/12 10:30 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/13 07:43 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Montaray Jack2020/07/23 07:20 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/24 04:57 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 11:35 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 12:01 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 12:15 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/12 01:50 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 02:31 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/12 03:09 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 04:25 PM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/12 08:34 PM
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                  Alder Lake and AVX-512gallier22020/07/13 02:11 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512gallier22020/07/13 02:01 AM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/13 11:06 AM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/13 12:11 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Brett2020/07/14 02:34 AM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/14 09:02 AM
                          Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/14 12:40 PM
                            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/14 12:48 PM
                            Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/15 01:37 AM
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                                OS X file names normalizationSimon Farnsworth2020/07/15 04:16 AM
                                  OS X file names normalizationMichael S2020/07/15 10:51 AM
                                    OS X file names normalizationSimon Farnsworth2020/07/15 12:27 PM
                                OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/15 10:46 AM
                                  OS X file names normalizationMichael S2020/07/15 11:05 AM
                                    OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/15 12:58 PM
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                                    OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/15 01:32 PM
                                      OS X file names normalizationMaynard Handley2020/07/15 05:20 PM
                                        OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/15 08:37 PM
                                          OS X file names normalizationAnon32020/07/16 01:43 PM
                                            OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/16 03:38 PM
                                              OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/17 12:21 AM
                                                OS X file names normalizationAnon32020/07/17 02:15 AM
                                                  OS X file names normalizationJukka Larja2020/07/17 06:40 AM
                                                OS X file names normalizationgallier22020/07/17 03:19 AM
                                                  OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/17 09:41 AM
                                                    OS X file names normalizationDummond D. Slow2020/07/17 09:54 AM
                                                      OS X file names normalizationLinus Torvalds2020/07/17 10:16 AM
                                                      OS X file names normalizationSimon Farnsworth2020/07/18 06:12 AM
                                              OS X file names normalizationAnon32020/07/17 02:04 AM
                                                OS X file names normalizationDoug S2020/07/17 10:15 AM
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                      vectorization of utf8anon22020/07/13 05:07 PM
                        vectorization of utf8Robert David Graham2020/07/13 08:36 PM
                          vectorization of utf8anon22020/07/13 11:23 PM
                        vectorization of utf8Maynard Handley2020/07/13 10:46 PM
                      vectorization of utf8Gabriele Svelto2020/07/15 03:27 AM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512gallier22020/07/14 01:13 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 01:29 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 02:08 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 06:26 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/12 07:11 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/12 07:43 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/13 08:38 AM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 10:10 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/13 11:02 AM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 11:22 AM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/13 12:10 PM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512Jörn Engel2020/07/13 04:03 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Jukka Larja2020/07/14 06:53 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/11 08:34 PM
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            Alder Lake and AVX-512anonymou52020/07/13 01:01 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Brett2020/07/13 04:19 PM
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          Alder Lake and AVX-512me2020/07/12 03:44 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 04:09 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 11:35 AM
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              ~80% of details are wrong. So what one can expect from conclusions? :(anonymous22020/07/12 12:50 PM
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              Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 12:37 PM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512nobody in particular2020/07/12 12:43 PM
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                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/12 08:51 PM
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                AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)Romain Dolbeau2020/07/14 11:42 PM
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                    Configurable cache line size?dmcq2020/07/15 03:43 PM
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                    Configurable cache line size?NoSpammer2020/07/16 01:27 AM
                    Configurable cache line size?Pixie2020/07/16 10:55 AM
                      Configurable cache line size?Etienne2020/07/17 01:03 AM
                        Configurable cache line size?Hugo Décharnes2020/07/18 02:11 AM
                  Cache line sizeMark Roulo2020/07/15 06:10 PM
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                    AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)dmcq2020/07/17 03:34 AM
                      AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512)zArchJon2020/07/17 01:16 PM
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                Some fundamentals haven't changed2020/07/24 04:24 PM
                  Some fundamentals haven't changeddmcq2020/07/25 07:58 AM
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                    Some fundamentals haven't changedBrett2020/07/25 02:16 PM
                      Some fundamentals haven't changedBrett2020/07/25 02:27 PM
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                                      Mill Compiler still MIA?Geoff Langdale2020/07/28 05:04 PM
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                                          If they release the compiler, how they will blame the still-in-development compiler for the lacklustAnon2020/07/28 05:20 PM
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                            What belt is.Doug S2020/07/26 03:26 PM
                              What belt is.2020/07/26 04:02 PM
        gooduseruser2020/07/12 10:06 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/11 09:03 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/11 09:07 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512j2020/07/13 12:29 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/13 01:12 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512j2020/07/13 02:58 AM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/13 04:53 PM
              Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/14 12:57 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512Maynard Handley2020/07/14 10:26 AM
                Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/14 12:33 PM
                  Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/14 03:43 PM
                    Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 12:55 AM
                      Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 02:19 AM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 02:34 AM
                          Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 03:03 AM
                            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 09:43 AM
                              Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 09:54 AM
                                Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/15 11:35 AM
                                  Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 03:18 PM
                                    GV100 + POWER9Michael S2020/07/16 01:17 AM
                                      GV100 + POWER9dmcq2020/07/16 08:58 AM
                                        GV100 + POWER9dmcq2020/07/16 09:10 AM
                        Alder Lake and AVX-512dmcq2020/07/15 02:48 AM
    Alder Lake and AVX-512o2020/07/12 03:08 AM
    Alder Lake and AVX-5122020/07/12 11:07 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-5122020/07/12 11:32 AM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512Linus Torvalds2020/07/12 11:39 AM
        Alder Lake and AVX-5122020/07/12 12:47 PM
        Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 01:18 PM
          x87 crapHeikki Kultala2020/07/12 01:30 PM
            x87 crapMichael S2020/07/12 01:37 PM
              x87 crapHeikki kultala2020/07/12 02:11 PM
                x87 crapMichael S2020/07/12 02:50 PM
                  Sparc and PA-RISC vs pentium FP performanceHeikki Kultala2020/07/13 01:14 AM
                    Sparc and PA-RISC vs pentium FP performanceanonymous22020/07/13 10:48 AM
          Alder Lake and AVX-512Doug S2020/07/12 03:33 PM
            Alder Lake and AVX-512Michael S2020/07/12 04:10 PM
    Alder Lake and AVX-512David Kanter2020/07/12 05:01 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512anon2020/07/12 05:40 PM
      ~0% of users do much FP outside of GPUs for games (NT)anonymous22020/07/12 05:47 PM
        ~0% of users do much FP outside of GPUs for gamesMaynard Handley2020/07/13 12:26 AM
        not trueChester2020/07/13 12:37 AM
          not trueMichael S2020/07/13 01:29 AM
            not trueChester2020/07/13 01:59 AM
              not trueanonymous22020/07/13 10:32 AM
                not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:30 PM
                  not trueChester2020/07/14 05:47 AM
            not trueDoug S2020/07/13 12:30 PM
              not trueAnon2020/07/13 01:16 PM
                not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:39 PM
              not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:38 PM
          not trueLinus Torvalds2020/07/13 11:27 AM
            not trueDummond D. Slow2020/07/13 02:10 PM
              not trueMaynard Handley2020/07/13 02:49 PM
                not trueDummond D. Slow2020/07/13 03:38 PM
            not true (about FP, not avx-512)Chester2020/07/17 10:37 AM
  Alder Lake and AVX-512Travis Downs2020/07/11 06:45 PM
    Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/11 06:57 PM
      Alder Lake and AVX-512-.-2020/07/12 04:26 PM
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