By: Robert David Graham (robert_david_graham.delete@this.yahoo.com), July 13, 2020 2:36 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Linus Torvalds (torvalds.delete@this.linux-foundation.org) on July 13, 2020 11:06 am wrote:
> If you have to normalize, do it only at literal "untrusted user entry". In that graphical
> UI box that the user actually types in. Or that network input side processing that
> expects a character string. Do the normalization there, and do it before you start
> parsing anything. If you do it any later, you're screwed and did it wrong.
>
Good advice, but also wrong.
Almost every boundary between two pieces of software is "untrusted user entry", either two things communicating across a network, or something calling into library. Our long history of input security vulnerabilities comes from failing to treat data at such boundaries as "untrusted".
A good example is a recent Exim vulnerability. It checked "hostnames" when they came from DNS and config files, but trusted that hostnames it got from the OpenSSL library were validated. But they weren't, so a corrupted SNI field could hack the email server. This vuln worked with not only OpenSSL, but also GnuTLS (as Exim support many different SSL libraries).
The underlying problem was that it's not clear what the SNI field is supposed to contain. Should SSL libraries treat it as a blob and simply pass it on through? Or should they validate that it conforms to hostname rules? Should Unicode names be allowed? Or should only the DNS punycode names be allowed? It's not clearly specified, so the SSL libraries treated it as a blob and passed it on through. And Exim didn't validate it either, so bug.
Thus, everybody that writes libraries or uses libraries needs to be concerned with validating UTF8 strings. Which is everybody.
How and what to do is a dark art rather than a simple science. The above posts talk about "normalization" which is almost always a bad idea these days. It should be "validated", such that if it isn't already in a normalized form, it should be rejected.
When you accept bad input, you get locked into legacy of being forced to accept that bad input until the end of time, because when you issue a software patch that makes validation stricter, customers complain. Going the other way, loosening restrictions to accept more input, is much easier.
Accepting bad input also means corrupting that input. You pat yourself on the back because 99% of the time your guess right at what the customer wanted, but you are ignoring the other 1% of the time when you guessed wrong and Very Bad Things happened. It took us 20 years to clean up the HTML standards to get rid of this flawed thinking.
The point being is that every programmer should be afraid of messing with UTF8 encoded data, that much of the time, they should treat it as a blob. But at the same time, this simple advice fails to recognize the practical reality that we have to mess with. Programmers should avoid changing it wherever possible, but they often have to reject bad input.
> If you have to normalize, do it only at literal "untrusted user entry". In that graphical
> UI box that the user actually types in. Or that network input side processing that
> expects a character string. Do the normalization there, and do it before you start
> parsing anything. If you do it any later, you're screwed and did it wrong.
>
Good advice, but also wrong.
Almost every boundary between two pieces of software is "untrusted user entry", either two things communicating across a network, or something calling into library. Our long history of input security vulnerabilities comes from failing to treat data at such boundaries as "untrusted".
A good example is a recent Exim vulnerability. It checked "hostnames" when they came from DNS and config files, but trusted that hostnames it got from the OpenSSL library were validated. But they weren't, so a corrupted SNI field could hack the email server. This vuln worked with not only OpenSSL, but also GnuTLS (as Exim support many different SSL libraries).
The underlying problem was that it's not clear what the SNI field is supposed to contain. Should SSL libraries treat it as a blob and simply pass it on through? Or should they validate that it conforms to hostname rules? Should Unicode names be allowed? Or should only the DNS punycode names be allowed? It's not clearly specified, so the SSL libraries treated it as a blob and passed it on through. And Exim didn't validate it either, so bug.
Thus, everybody that writes libraries or uses libraries needs to be concerned with validating UTF8 strings. Which is everybody.
How and what to do is a dark art rather than a simple science. The above posts talk about "normalization" which is almost always a bad idea these days. It should be "validated", such that if it isn't already in a normalized form, it should be rejected.
When you accept bad input, you get locked into legacy of being forced to accept that bad input until the end of time, because when you issue a software patch that makes validation stricter, customers complain. Going the other way, loosening restrictions to accept more input, is much easier.
Accepting bad input also means corrupting that input. You pat yourself on the back because 99% of the time your guess right at what the customer wanted, but you are ignoring the other 1% of the time when you guessed wrong and Very Bad Things happened. It took us 20 years to clean up the HTML standards to get rid of this flawed thinking.
The point being is that every programmer should be afraid of messing with UTF8 encoded data, that much of the time, they should treat it as a blob. But at the same time, this simple advice fails to recognize the practical reality that we have to mess with. Programmers should avoid changing it wherever possible, but they often have to reject bad input.
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Alder Lake and AVX-512 | me | 2020/07/11 07:02 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/11 11:41 AM |
informative (NT) | blue | 2020/07/11 12:40 PM |
grumpy | Michael S | 2020/07/11 12:51 PM |
grumpy | me | 2020/07/11 01:27 PM |
area and power cost of AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/11 12:58 PM |
area and power cost of AVX-512 | Anon | 2020/07/11 04:35 PM |
area and power cost of AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 04:16 AM |
area and power cost of AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/07/12 09:13 AM |
area and power cost of AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/07/11 07:19 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/11 02:02 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Ungo | 2020/07/11 05:28 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/11 10:16 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/11 06:51 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | ⚛ | 2020/07/12 01:48 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 03:07 PM |
HDR | Anon3 | 2020/07/12 03:42 PM |
HDR10 in Kaby Lake? | David Kanter | 2020/07/12 05:09 PM |
HDR10 in Kaby Lake? | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/12 06:13 PM |
Thanks for the link (NT) | David Kanter | 2020/07/12 06:43 PM |
HDR10 in Kaby Lake? | Anon3 | 2020/07/13 01:36 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/07/12 03:00 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | m | 2020/07/23 12:10 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Anon | 2020/07/23 12:53 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/07/23 06:32 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Anon | 2020/07/23 06:50 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/07/23 07:45 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Anon | 2020/07/23 08:15 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/24 04:44 AM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Gabriele Svelto | 2020/07/24 02:56 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Jouni Osmala | 2020/07/24 09:22 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/25 01:32 AM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Eugene Nalimov | 2020/07/25 05:56 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/26 01:28 AM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Gabriele Svelto | 2020/07/26 02:22 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/27 07:00 AM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | -.- | 2020/07/23 06:32 PM |
AVX-512 with narrow ex units? | Travis Downs | 2020/07/24 05:01 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/11 04:45 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Chester | 2020/07/11 05:26 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/11 06:22 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 02:02 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/07/13 09:01 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/11 06:54 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/11 08:01 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | N Owen | 2020/07/12 12:37 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 01:48 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 07:13 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/07/13 09:09 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/13 11:42 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Doug S | 2020/07/11 11:49 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 01:53 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/07/11 07:03 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Veedrac | 2020/07/11 07:43 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 01:31 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Veedrac | 2020/07/12 04:01 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 03:26 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Anon3 | 2020/07/12 04:07 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 05:39 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Veedrac | 2020/07/12 04:21 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 05:33 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Veedrac | 2020/07/12 05:54 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 06:20 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | David Hess | 2020/07/12 07:32 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 08:41 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | ⚛ | 2020/07/13 04:02 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/13 07:25 PM |
PentiumMMX vs Transmeta's VLIW in hindsight | ⚛ | 2020/07/19 06:16 AM |
PentiumMMX vs Transmeta's VLIW in hindsight | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/19 10:47 AM |
PentiumMMX vs Transmeta's VLIW in hindsight | anon2 | 2020/07/19 03:24 PM |
VLIW, OOO, Pairing, and Fusion | Chester | 2020/07/19 10:16 PM |
Poulson was in-order (NT) | anon2 | 2020/07/20 12:20 AM |
VLIW, OOO, Pairing, and Fusion | Michael S | 2020/07/20 12:48 AM |
Itanium is NOT VLIW | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/20 02:27 PM |
Itanium is NOT VLIW | Adrian | 2020/07/20 11:03 PM |
Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it? | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/21 03:38 AM |
Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it? | anon2 | 2020/07/21 05:03 AM |
Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it? | dmcq | 2020/07/21 03:27 PM |
Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it? | j | 2020/07/21 08:54 AM |
Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it? | Tim McCaffrey | 2020/07/21 10:30 AM |
Itanium crappiness and EPIC - and could EPIC still have something good in it? | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/21 09:13 AM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/22 12:31 PM |
Turn that on its head? | Ray | 2020/07/22 12:49 PM |
Turn that on its head? | Anon | 2020/07/22 01:53 PM |
Turn that on its head? | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/22 02:37 PM |
Turn that on its head? | anon2 | 2020/07/22 03:32 PM |
Turn that on its head? | anon3 | 2020/07/22 04:45 PM |
Turn that on its head? | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/23 02:53 AM |
Turn that on its head? | Anon | 2020/07/23 10:20 AM |
Turn that on its head? | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/23 11:21 AM |
Turn that on its head? | Brett | 2020/07/23 03:26 PM |
Turn that on its head? | Brett | 2020/07/24 04:22 AM |
Bundling OOO entries does this implicitly | David Kanter | 2020/07/23 10:56 AM |
Turn that on its head? | anon | 2020/07/23 11:49 AM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/22 02:29 PM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | wumpus | 2020/07/22 03:16 PM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | Doug S | 2020/07/22 10:37 PM |
what Intel would have done | Michael S | 2020/07/23 12:46 AM |
what Intel would have done | Doug S | 2020/07/23 09:52 AM |
what Intel would have done | Anon | 2020/07/23 10:25 AM |
what Intel would have done | Michael S | 2020/07/23 11:23 AM |
what Intel would have done | Montaray Jack | 2020/07/23 06:08 PM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/22 11:47 PM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | wumpus | 2020/07/23 01:46 PM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | Michael S | 2020/07/23 12:56 AM |
Itanium is not synomym of EPIC. Itanium is just the most common EPIC-style architecture | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/23 02:44 AM |
thanks | Chester | 2020/07/24 03:50 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/11 07:46 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | never_released | 2020/07/11 08:54 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 02:25 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon2 | 2020/07/12 01:36 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Doug S | 2020/07/12 12:01 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 02:41 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | rwessel | 2020/07/12 10:17 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | -.- | 2020/08/18 03:24 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/08/18 11:04 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Geoff Langdale | 2020/07/11 07:49 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon | 2020/07/11 08:12 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/11 08:33 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 03:00 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/12 08:51 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/12 10:30 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/13 07:43 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Montaray Jack | 2020/07/23 07:20 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/24 04:57 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/12 11:35 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 12:01 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 12:15 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anonymou5 | 2020/07/12 01:50 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 02:31 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anonymou5 | 2020/07/12 03:09 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 04:25 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anonymou5 | 2020/07/12 08:34 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jose | 2020/07/13 01:35 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | gallier2 | 2020/07/13 02:11 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | gallier2 | 2020/07/13 02:01 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/13 11:06 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Doug S | 2020/07/13 12:11 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Brett | 2020/07/14 02:34 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/14 09:02 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/14 12:40 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/14 12:48 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/15 01:37 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Michael S | 2020/07/15 02:26 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Simon Farnsworth | 2020/07/15 04:16 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Michael S | 2020/07/15 10:51 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Simon Farnsworth | 2020/07/15 12:27 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Doug S | 2020/07/15 10:46 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Michael S | 2020/07/15 11:05 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/15 12:58 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/15 02:21 PM |
OS X file names normalization | gallier2 | 2020/07/15 11:57 PM |
OS X file names normalization | gallier2 | 2020/07/15 11:44 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Rob Thorpe | 2020/07/15 11:23 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Doug S | 2020/07/15 01:32 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/15 05:20 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/15 08:37 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Anon3 | 2020/07/16 01:43 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Doug S | 2020/07/16 03:38 PM |
OS X file names normalization | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/17 12:21 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Anon3 | 2020/07/17 02:15 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/17 06:40 AM |
OS X file names normalization | gallier2 | 2020/07/17 03:19 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/17 09:41 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/07/17 09:54 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/17 10:16 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Simon Farnsworth | 2020/07/18 06:12 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Anon3 | 2020/07/17 02:04 AM |
OS X file names normalization | Doug S | 2020/07/17 10:15 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/15 10:32 AM |
File Systems and VC Problems | Rob Thorpe | 2020/07/15 07:24 AM |
vectorization of utf8 | Robert David Graham | 2020/07/13 02:36 PM |
vectorization of utf8 | anon2 | 2020/07/13 05:07 PM |
vectorization of utf8 | Robert David Graham | 2020/07/13 08:36 PM |
vectorization of utf8 | anon2 | 2020/07/13 11:23 PM |
vectorization of utf8 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/13 10:46 PM |
vectorization of utf8 | Gabriele Svelto | 2020/07/15 03:27 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | gallier2 | 2020/07/14 01:13 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/12 01:29 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 02:08 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/12 06:26 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | -.- | 2020/07/12 07:11 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/12 07:43 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/13 08:38 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/13 10:10 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/13 11:02 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/13 11:22 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/13 12:10 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jörn Engel | 2020/07/13 04:03 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/14 06:53 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/11 08:34 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Brett | 2020/07/11 09:02 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | David Hess | 2020/07/13 12:36 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anonymou5 | 2020/07/13 01:01 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Brett | 2020/07/13 04:19 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Geert | 2020/07/11 09:36 PM |
AMD's FPU | Chester | 2020/07/12 02:28 AM |
Is 3|5 lower than 4? | Michael S | 2020/07/12 03:59 AM |
Is 3|5 lower than 4? | Chester | 2020/07/12 05:54 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Geoff Langdale | 2020/07/11 11:45 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | me | 2020/07/12 03:44 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 04:09 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 11:35 AM |
~80% of details are wrong. So what one can expect from conclusions? :( (NT) | Michael S | 2020/07/12 11:57 AM |
~80% of details are wrong. So what one can expect from conclusions? :( | anonymous2 | 2020/07/12 12:50 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | nobody in particular | 2020/07/12 12:25 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 12:37 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | nobody in particular | 2020/07/12 12:43 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | me | 2020/07/12 01:32 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/12 08:51 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | UnmaskedUnderflow | 2020/07/12 12:33 PM |
AVX-512 vs SVE2 | -.- | 2020/07/12 06:22 PM |
AVX-512 vs SVE2 | noko | 2020/07/13 12:12 AM |
AVX-512 vs SVE2 | -.- | 2020/07/13 04:00 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Geoff Langdale | 2020/07/12 08:18 PM |
Could you please stop top-posting (NT) | Jukka Larja | 2020/07/13 08:45 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/15 01:00 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Spiteful Sprites | 2020/07/13 04:59 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | nobody in particular | 2020/07/13 09:12 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Spiteful Sprites | 2020/07/13 04:21 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Jouni Osmala | 2020/07/14 02:55 AM |
RISC-V & commercial support (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/15 01:11 AM |
RISC-V & commercial support (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/15 01:13 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/13 11:10 AM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/14 10:09 AM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | anon | 2020/07/14 10:53 AM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/14 11:27 AM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/14 12:52 PM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Doug S | 2020/07/14 01:43 PM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | anon | 2020/07/14 03:01 PM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/14 12:00 PM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/14 11:42 PM |
Configurable cache line size? | Doug S | 2020/07/15 10:56 AM |
Configurable cache line size? | dmcq | 2020/07/15 03:43 PM |
Configurable cache line size? | Romain Dolbeau | 2020/07/15 11:37 PM |
Configurable cache line size? | NoSpammer | 2020/07/16 01:27 AM |
Configurable cache line size? | Pixie | 2020/07/16 10:55 AM |
Configurable cache line size? | Etienne | 2020/07/17 01:03 AM |
Configurable cache line size? | Hugo Décharnes | 2020/07/18 02:11 AM |
Cache line size | Mark Roulo | 2020/07/15 06:10 PM |
Cache line size | anon | 2020/07/15 06:46 PM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | Gabriele Svelto | 2020/07/17 02:30 AM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | dmcq | 2020/07/17 03:34 AM |
AVX-512/SVE & HPC (was: Alder Lake and AVX-512) | zArchJon | 2020/07/17 01:16 PM |
Macro-instructions to the rescue | ⚛ | 2020/07/24 12:56 PM |
Some fundamentals haven't changed | Chester | 2020/07/24 03:59 PM |
Some fundamentals haven't changed | ⚛ | 2020/07/24 04:24 PM |
Some fundamentals haven't changed | dmcq | 2020/07/25 07:58 AM |
Some fundamentals haven't changed | ⚛ | 2020/07/25 11:05 AM |
Some fundamentals haven't changed | Brett | 2020/07/25 02:16 PM |
Some fundamentals haven't changed | Brett | 2020/07/25 02:27 PM |
What belt is. | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/26 07:49 AM |
What belt is. | Michael S | 2020/07/26 10:00 AM |
What belt is. | Brett | 2020/07/26 11:46 PM |
What belt is. | Michael S | 2020/07/27 12:52 AM |
What belt is. | Brett | 2020/07/27 07:25 AM |
What belt is. | Doug S | 2020/07/27 01:31 PM |
What belt is. | Andrew Clough | 2020/07/28 06:11 AM |
What belt is. | dmcq | 2020/07/28 08:17 AM |
Mill Compiler still MIA? | Geoff Langdale | 2020/07/28 05:04 PM |
If they release the compiler, how they will blame the still-in-development compiler for the lacklust (NT) | Anon | 2020/07/28 05:20 PM |
If they release the compiler, how they will blame the still-in-development compiler for the lacklust | Anon | 2020/07/28 05:20 PM |
Apparently they're busy writing a kernel... | Anon | 2020/07/29 03:03 AM |
Apparently they're busy writing a kernel... | dmcq | 2020/07/29 03:39 AM |
What belt is. | ⚛ | 2020/07/26 11:44 AM |
What belt is. | anonymous2 | 2020/07/26 12:02 PM |
What belt is. | Doug S | 2020/07/26 03:26 PM |
What belt is. | ⚛ | 2020/07/26 04:02 PM |
good | useruser | 2020/07/12 10:06 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | -.- | 2020/07/11 09:03 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | -.- | 2020/07/11 09:07 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | j | 2020/07/13 12:29 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/13 01:12 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | j | 2020/07/13 02:58 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/13 04:53 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/14 12:57 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/14 10:26 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/14 12:33 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/14 03:43 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/15 12:55 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/15 02:19 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/15 02:34 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/15 03:03 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/15 09:43 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/15 09:54 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/15 11:35 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/15 03:18 PM |
GV100 + POWER9 | Michael S | 2020/07/16 01:17 AM |
GV100 + POWER9 | dmcq | 2020/07/16 08:58 AM |
GV100 + POWER9 | dmcq | 2020/07/16 09:10 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | dmcq | 2020/07/15 02:48 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | o | 2020/07/12 03:08 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | ⚛ | 2020/07/12 11:07 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | ⚛ | 2020/07/12 11:32 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/12 11:39 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | ⚛ | 2020/07/12 12:47 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 01:18 PM |
x87 crap | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/12 01:30 PM |
x87 crap | Michael S | 2020/07/12 01:37 PM |
x87 crap | Heikki kultala | 2020/07/12 02:11 PM |
x87 crap | Michael S | 2020/07/12 02:50 PM |
Sparc and PA-RISC vs pentium FP performance | Heikki Kultala | 2020/07/13 01:14 AM |
Sparc and PA-RISC vs pentium FP performance | anonymous2 | 2020/07/13 10:48 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Doug S | 2020/07/12 03:33 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Michael S | 2020/07/12 04:10 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | David Kanter | 2020/07/12 05:01 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | anon | 2020/07/12 05:40 PM |
~0% of users do much FP outside of GPUs for games (NT) | anonymous2 | 2020/07/12 05:47 PM |
~0% of users do much FP outside of GPUs for games | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/13 12:26 AM |
not true | Chester | 2020/07/13 12:37 AM |
not true | Michael S | 2020/07/13 01:29 AM |
not true | Chester | 2020/07/13 01:59 AM |
not true | anonymous2 | 2020/07/13 10:32 AM |
not true | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/13 02:30 PM |
not true | Chester | 2020/07/14 05:47 AM |
not true | Doug S | 2020/07/13 12:30 PM |
not true | Anon | 2020/07/13 01:16 PM |
not true | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/13 02:39 PM |
not true | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/13 02:38 PM |
not true | Linus Torvalds | 2020/07/13 11:27 AM |
not true | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/07/13 02:10 PM |
not true | Maynard Handley | 2020/07/13 02:49 PM |
not true | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/07/13 03:38 PM |
not true (about FP, not avx-512) | Chester | 2020/07/17 10:37 AM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | Travis Downs | 2020/07/11 06:45 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | -.- | 2020/07/11 06:57 PM |
Alder Lake and AVX-512 | -.- | 2020/07/12 04:26 PM |