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By: Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org), August 11, 2020 1:59 pm
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Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 11, 2020 2:25 pm wrote:
> Jan Olšan (mental.delete@this.protozoa.us) on August 11, 2020 1:53 pm wrote:
> > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 11, 2020 1:31 pm wrote:
> > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on August 11, 2020 12:51 pm wrote:
> > > > Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on August 11, 2020 11:00 am wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > https://nuviainc.com/blog
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Various sites, e.g. Anandtech, are commenting on this, but that is the primary link.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well they use GB5 as their CPU metric, so clearly they're a bunch of phony armchair architects...
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's your only problem?
> > > Does it means that you believe that they will deliver GB5-ST=2300
> > > relatively soon? And within 3W envelop, nonetheless?
> > > If it's true then they are going to become crazy rich crazy quickly.
> >
> > Well, they nowhere say it is relatively soon (or do they and I missed it?).
> >
>
> They didn't, but it sounds like they see Arm Inc. Neoverse core that will come right
> after Zeus as their direct competitor. Which means less than 2 years from now.
>
> > Gotta remember it's marketing propaganda, so there are all sorts of caveats,
> > like comparing different OSes (known problem with GB), phone vs. notebook SoCs,
> > using non-SMT sku for Zen 2 (dunno if they measure Geekbench ST or MT).
> >
>
> The numbers on the graph look like GB5-ST. E.g. highest i7-8750H scores are indeed close to 1100.

Of course they're GB5 ST. I can't believe people are even raising such a ridiculous complaint!
The same head-in-the-sand that we saw around Apple, then Graviton2, now migrated to Nuvia.


> MT divided by # of cores is significantly lower.
>
> > Comparing 2019/2020 products with 2022-2024 vaporware can improve your OOMPH graphs a lot naturally.

I expect them to ship around end of 2021. Whats the competition?
- Ice Lake SP? Oooh, terror.
- Unknown (and nonexistent) Tiger Lake Xeon? Sapphire Rapids? Seen the GB numbers for TL? Hardly a great leap forward.
- AMD next? That's a legitimate unknown. But seems unlikely to be more than ~20% faster generically (probably quite a bit faster for particular FP workloads), at the same power levels.
- ARM? We know that the next round of mobile cores, while all perfectly reasonable as x86 competitors, are basically at the A12 level or so. Will the N2 cores with SVE be significantly different? My guess is the other ARM vendors will be AMD (2015) to Nuvia's Intel (2015) -- able to compete on grounds of cheaper, more cores, maybe throw in various special purpose weirdness like compression/encryption accelerators, but clearly in second place.

Apple will, of course, be real competition for bragging rights. Maybe Apple will even be providing SoCs for their data centers. But Apple selling to potential Nuvia customers? Seems unlikely right now.

As for investment, it seems to me certain that if they cannot find funding in the US they can perhaps find funding from the EU (who are definitely trying to do their own ARM thing, maybe merge with SiPearl) or from Fujitsu, and of course the last resort who will ABSOLUTELY give them as much money as they like, China.
I can't see them not getting funded.
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