By: juanrga (noemail.delete@this.juanrga.com), August 12, 2020 3:16 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on August 11, 2020 2:59 pm wrote:
> Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 11, 2020 2:25 pm wrote:
> > Jan Olšan (mental.delete@this.protozoa.us) on August 11, 2020 1:53 pm wrote:
> > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 11, 2020 1:31 pm wrote:
> > > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on August 11, 2020 12:51 pm wrote:
> > > > > Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on August 11, 2020 11:00 am wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://nuviainc.com/blog
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Various sites, e.g. Anandtech, are commenting on this, but that is the primary link.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well they use GB5 as their CPU metric, so clearly they're a bunch of phony armchair architects...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's your only problem?
> > > > Does it means that you believe that they will deliver GB5-ST=2300
> > > > relatively soon? And within 3W envelop, nonetheless?
> > > > If it's true then they are going to become crazy rich crazy quickly.
> > >
> > > Well, they nowhere say it is relatively soon (or do they and I missed it?).
> > >
> >
> > They didn't, but it sounds like they see Arm Inc. Neoverse core that will come right
> > after Zeus as their direct competitor. Which means less than 2 years from now.
> >
> > > Gotta remember it's marketing propaganda, so there are all sorts of caveats,
> > > like comparing different OSes (known problem with GB), phone vs. notebook SoCs,
> > > using non-SMT sku for Zen 2 (dunno if they measure Geekbench ST or MT).
> > >
> >
> > The numbers on the graph look like GB5-ST. E.g. highest i7-8750H scores are indeed close to 1100.
>
> Of course they're GB5 ST. I can't believe people are even raising such a ridiculous complaint!
> The same head-in-the-sand that we saw around Apple, then Graviton2, now migrated to Nuvia.
>
Same attitude, different excuses. When MT performance was compared in the past, the argument was that single thread was the only what really matters. Now that single thread is compared, I am reading idiocies as
"it looks to me like the focus on a single core is a little dishonest, Intel/AMD designs need to scale up to 64 cores while Apple/Qualcomm is 2-4 big cores" :-)
> Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 11, 2020 2:25 pm wrote:
> > Jan Olšan (mental.delete@this.protozoa.us) on August 11, 2020 1:53 pm wrote:
> > > Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on August 11, 2020 1:31 pm wrote:
> > > > Maynard Handley (name99.delete@this.name99.org) on August 11, 2020 12:51 pm wrote:
> > > > > Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on August 11, 2020 11:00 am wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://nuviainc.com/blog
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Various sites, e.g. Anandtech, are commenting on this, but that is the primary link.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well they use GB5 as their CPU metric, so clearly they're a bunch of phony armchair architects...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > That's your only problem?
> > > > Does it means that you believe that they will deliver GB5-ST=2300
> > > > relatively soon? And within 3W envelop, nonetheless?
> > > > If it's true then they are going to become crazy rich crazy quickly.
> > >
> > > Well, they nowhere say it is relatively soon (or do they and I missed it?).
> > >
> >
> > They didn't, but it sounds like they see Arm Inc. Neoverse core that will come right
> > after Zeus as their direct competitor. Which means less than 2 years from now.
> >
> > > Gotta remember it's marketing propaganda, so there are all sorts of caveats,
> > > like comparing different OSes (known problem with GB), phone vs. notebook SoCs,
> > > using non-SMT sku for Zen 2 (dunno if they measure Geekbench ST or MT).
> > >
> >
> > The numbers on the graph look like GB5-ST. E.g. highest i7-8750H scores are indeed close to 1100.
>
> Of course they're GB5 ST. I can't believe people are even raising such a ridiculous complaint!
> The same head-in-the-sand that we saw around Apple, then Graviton2, now migrated to Nuvia.
>
Same attitude, different excuses. When MT performance was compared in the past, the argument was that single thread was the only what really matters. Now that single thread is compared, I am reading idiocies as
"it looks to me like the focus on a single core is a little dishonest, Intel/AMD designs need to scale up to 64 cores while Apple/Qualcomm is 2-4 big cores" :-)
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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NUVIA Phoenix | Adrian | 2020/08/11 10:00 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/11 11:51 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Michael S | 2020/08/11 12:31 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Jan Olšan | 2020/08/11 12:53 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Gabriele Svelto | 2020/08/11 01:12 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Michael S | 2020/08/11 01:25 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/11 01:59 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | juanrga | 2020/08/12 03:16 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | hobel | 2020/08/12 05:41 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | blue | 2020/08/12 10:25 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/08/12 11:44 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | blue | 2020/08/12 09:07 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/12 11:46 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | blue | 2020/08/12 09:03 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | james Wise | 2020/08/13 06:26 PM |
good point, thank you (NT) | blue | 2020/08/14 06:06 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Chester | 2020/08/14 10:12 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/08/15 06:41 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | juanrga | 2020/08/12 03:07 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/11 12:56 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Andrei F | 2020/08/11 03:04 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | anonymou5 | 2020/08/11 03:30 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Andrei F | 2020/08/11 03:41 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/11 04:34 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/08/11 04:51 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/11 05:09 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | David Kanter | 2020/08/11 08:58 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | anon | 2020/08/11 10:06 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | vvid | 2020/08/12 01:40 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Maynard Handley | 2020/08/12 08:56 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | vvid | 2020/08/12 12:24 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Adrian | 2020/08/11 09:27 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | Beastian | 2020/08/11 05:10 PM |
NUVIA Phoenix | ⚛ | 2020/08/12 01:01 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | juanrga | 2020/08/12 03:22 AM |
NUVIA Phoenix | ⚛ | 2020/08/12 08:47 PM |