By: Wilco (wilco.dijkstra.delete@this.ntlworld.com), October 8, 2020 2:02 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Groo (charlie.delete@this.semiaccurate.com) on October 8, 2020 2:48 pm wrote:
> itsmydamnation (no.delete@this.way.com) on October 8, 2020 2:38 pm wrote:
>
> > While its all ARM level marchitecture for performance increase ( :) /s
> > dont kill me ) AMD actually sold themselves short in some regards.
> >
> > What i mean by that is they game tested @ 1080p not 720p which increases how often they are GPU
> > bound in a frame. LOL and CS:GO are by far the lightest GPU loads and also low CPU thread count
> > and they show ~50% performance increase. That extra ~30 points of performance over base average
> > IPC increase is going to be largely from low thread counts having access to 32mb of L3. If they
> > game tested @ 720p and picked some more notorious low thread count games ( CIV5, cities skylines,
> > etc) they could probably skew there gaming performance even higher from 26% perf improvement.
> >
> > Worth noting this is the Same 7nm process as Zen2 and thus no EUV until Zen4.
>
> They gave out numbers at 4K as well, just not in the video. I won't repost or
> quote AMD's benchmark numbers until they get their heads out of their ass and
> properly disclose test setups like Intel does. That said they are out there.
>
> Also the process is NOT the same as Zen 2, it is still a non-EUV 7nm but a different variant than
> before. AMD obviously didn't go into the weeds here when I asked, and TSMC's ever shifting naming
> conventions make things worse every time they update things, but it is not the same as it was.
N7P is the only non-EUV 7nm process that is not the original N7.
Wilco
> itsmydamnation (no.delete@this.way.com) on October 8, 2020 2:38 pm wrote:
>
> > While its all ARM level marchitecture for performance increase ( :) /s
> > dont kill me ) AMD actually sold themselves short in some regards.
> >
> > What i mean by that is they game tested @ 1080p not 720p which increases how often they are GPU
> > bound in a frame. LOL and CS:GO are by far the lightest GPU loads and also low CPU thread count
> > and they show ~50% performance increase. That extra ~30 points of performance over base average
> > IPC increase is going to be largely from low thread counts having access to 32mb of L3. If they
> > game tested @ 720p and picked some more notorious low thread count games ( CIV5, cities skylines,
> > etc) they could probably skew there gaming performance even higher from 26% perf improvement.
> >
> > Worth noting this is the Same 7nm process as Zen2 and thus no EUV until Zen4.
>
> They gave out numbers at 4K as well, just not in the video. I won't repost or
> quote AMD's benchmark numbers until they get their heads out of their ass and
> properly disclose test setups like Intel does. That said they are out there.
>
> Also the process is NOT the same as Zen 2, it is still a non-EUV 7nm but a different variant than
> before. AMD obviously didn't go into the weeds here when I asked, and TSMC's ever shifting naming
> conventions make things worse every time they update things, but it is not the same as it was.
N7P is the only non-EUV 7nm process that is not the original N7.
Wilco
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Zen 3 | Blue | 2020/10/08 08:58 AM |
Zen 3 | Rayla | 2020/10/08 09:10 AM |
Zen 3 | Adrian | 2020/10/08 09:13 AM |
Does anyone know whether Zen 3 has AVX-512? (NT) | Foo_ | 2020/10/08 10:54 AM |
Does anyone know whether Zen 3 has AVX-512? | Adrian | 2020/10/08 11:11 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | ⚛ | 2020/10/08 09:21 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Rayla | 2020/10/08 09:28 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | ⚛ | 2020/10/08 10:22 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Adrian | 2020/10/08 10:53 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Travis Downs | 2020/10/08 08:45 PM |
Zen 3 - CAD benchmark | Per Hesselgren | 2020/10/09 06:29 AM |
Zen 3 - CAD benchmark | Adrian | 2020/10/09 08:27 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | itsmydamnation | 2020/10/08 01:38 PM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Groo | 2020/10/08 01:48 PM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Wilco | 2020/10/08 02:02 PM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/10/08 03:39 PM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Doug S | 2020/10/09 07:11 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Dummond D. Slow | 2020/10/09 08:43 AM |
Zen 3 - Number of load/store units | Doug S | 2020/10/09 12:43 PM |
N7 and N7P are not load/Store units - please fix the topic in your replies (NT) | Heikki Kultala | 2020/10/10 06:37 AM |
Zen 3 | Jeff S. | 2020/10/08 11:16 AM |
Zen 3 | anon | 2020/10/08 12:57 PM |
Disappointing opening line in paper | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/10/11 05:16 AM |
Thoughts on "Improving the Utilization of µop Caches..." | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/10/14 11:11 AM |
Thoughts on "Improving the Utilization of µop Caches..." | anon | 2020/10/15 10:56 AM |
Thoughts on "Improving the Utilization of µop Caches..." | anon | 2020/10/15 10:57 AM |
Sorry about the mess | anon | 2020/10/15 10:58 AM |
Sorry about the mess | Brett | 2020/10/16 02:22 AM |
Caching dependence info in µop cache | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/10/16 05:20 AM |
Caching dependence info in µop cache | anon | 2020/10/16 11:36 AM |
Caching dependence info in µop cache | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/10/18 12:28 PM |
Zen 3 | juanrga | 2020/10/09 09:12 AM |
Zen 3 | Mr. Camel | 2020/10/09 05:30 PM |
Zen 3 | anon.1 | 2020/10/09 11:44 PM |
Cinebench is terrible benchmark | David Kanter | 2020/10/10 09:36 AM |
Cinebench is terrible benchmark | anon.1 | 2020/10/10 11:06 AM |
Cinebench is terrible benchmark | hobold | 2020/10/10 11:33 AM |
Some comments on benchmarks | Paul A. Clayton | 2020/10/14 11:11 AM |
Some comments on benchmarks | Mark Roulo | 2020/10/14 02:21 PM |
Zen 3 | Adrian | 2020/10/10 12:59 AM |
Zen 3 | Adrian | 2020/10/10 01:18 AM |
Zen 3 | majord | 2020/10/15 03:02 AM |
Zen 3 | hobold | 2020/10/10 07:58 AM |
Zen 3 | Maynard Handley | 2020/10/10 09:36 AM |
Zen 3 | hobold | 2020/10/10 11:19 AM |
Zen 3 | anon | 2020/10/11 01:58 AM |
Zen 3 | hobold | 2020/10/11 11:32 AM |
Zen 3 | anon | 2020/10/11 12:07 PM |
Zen 3 | hobold | 2020/10/11 01:22 PM |
Zen 3 | anon | 2020/10/10 10:51 AM |
Zen 3 | Michael S | 2020/10/11 12:16 AM |
Zen 3 | hobold | 2020/10/11 01:13 AM |
Zen 3 | Michael S | 2020/10/11 01:18 AM |
Zen 3 | anon.1 | 2020/10/11 11:17 AM |
Zen 3 | David Hess | 2020/10/12 05:43 AM |
more power? (NT) | anonymous2 | 2020/10/12 12:26 PM |
I think he's comparing 65W 3700X vs 105W 5800X (NT) | John H | 2020/10/12 03:33 PM |
?! Those are apples and oranges! (NT) | anon | 2020/10/12 03:49 PM |