By: Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com), November 3, 2020 4:35 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on November 3, 2020 2:32 am wrote:
> Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on November 2, 2020 1:51 pm wrote:
> > Mr. Camel (no.delete@this.thanks.com) on November 2, 2020 1:14 pm wrote:
> > > With Apple helping to fund TSMC process dev, it seems like TSMC
> > > is likely to maintain its process lead for many years to come.
> > >
> > > Intel may have had a chance to win Apple's business but blew it. They probably
> > > feel pretty stupid now that they won't have access to Apple's coffers.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps, but Intel would still have had to execute. No one has ever suggested lack of
> > investment was the reason for Intel's failure with 10nm. Once they got stuck Apple would
> > have been looking for alternatives - designing an SoC for both Intel fabs and TSMC fabs
> > would be a cheap hedge for them (and something they already did with the A9)
>
>
> The incapacity of Intel to manufacture what they are designing begins to worry me more and more.
>
> When I have seen their triumphant presentation of Tiger Lake at Hot Chips, I have believed
> that, after so many years, they might have finally found how to fix their 10-nm process.
>
> Unfortunately, 3 months later, even if many devices with Tiger Lake have been announced,
> at least in Europe, I have not succeeded to notice anyone of them being sold anywhere.
>
Out of interest, I talked to Dell reseller and he confirmed.
Dell New Vostro series 5301 and 5402 appears on the web site, but they don't accept orders.
But then I took a look at what's available in the retail and it appears different.
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325 with i5-1135G7 is available right now in the store less than 3km from my office. Same for i7-1165G7. Same for ZenBook 14 UX425.
So, it seems, if I want TGL for work, I'd have to wait until February, or late January at best, but for home with my own money I can get it right now.
> Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on November 2, 2020 1:51 pm wrote:
> > Mr. Camel (no.delete@this.thanks.com) on November 2, 2020 1:14 pm wrote:
> > > With Apple helping to fund TSMC process dev, it seems like TSMC
> > > is likely to maintain its process lead for many years to come.
> > >
> > > Intel may have had a chance to win Apple's business but blew it. They probably
> > > feel pretty stupid now that they won't have access to Apple's coffers.
> >
> >
> > Perhaps, but Intel would still have had to execute. No one has ever suggested lack of
> > investment was the reason for Intel's failure with 10nm. Once they got stuck Apple would
> > have been looking for alternatives - designing an SoC for both Intel fabs and TSMC fabs
> > would be a cheap hedge for them (and something they already did with the A9)
>
>
> The incapacity of Intel to manufacture what they are designing begins to worry me more and more.
>
> When I have seen their triumphant presentation of Tiger Lake at Hot Chips, I have believed
> that, after so many years, they might have finally found how to fix their 10-nm process.
>
> Unfortunately, 3 months later, even if many devices with Tiger Lake have been announced,
> at least in Europe, I have not succeeded to notice anyone of them being sold anywhere.
>
Out of interest, I talked to Dell reseller and he confirmed.
Dell New Vostro series 5301 and 5402 appears on the web site, but they don't accept orders.
But then I took a look at what's available in the retail and it appears different.
Asus ZenBook 13 UX325 with i5-1135G7 is available right now in the store less than 3km from my office. Same for i7-1165G7. Same for ZenBook 14 UX425.
So, it seems, if I want TGL for work, I'd have to wait until February, or late January at best, but for home with my own money I can get it right now.
