Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on November 3, 2020 6:27 am wrote:
> Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on November 3, 2020 3:35 am wrote:
> > Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on November 3, 2020 2:32 am wrote:
> > > Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on November 2, 2020 1:51 pm wrote:
> > > > Mr. Camel (no.delete@this.thanks.com) on November 2, 2020 1:14 pm wrote:
> > > > > With Apple helping to fund TSMC process dev, it seems like TSMC
> > > > > is likely to maintain its process lead for many years to come.
> > > > >
> > > > > Intel may have had a chance to win Apple's business but blew it. They probably
> > > > > feel pretty stupid now that they won't have access to Apple's coffers.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Perhaps, but Intel would still have had to execute. No one has ever suggested lack of
> > > > investment was the reason for Intel's failure with 10nm. Once they got stuck Apple would
> > > > have been looking for alternatives - designing an SoC for both Intel fabs and TSMC fabs
> > > > would be a cheap hedge for them (and something they already did with the A9)
> > >
> > >
> > > The incapacity of Intel to manufacture what they are designing begins to worry me more and more.
> > >
> > > When I have seen their triumphant presentation of Tiger Lake at Hot Chips, I have believed
> > > that, after so many years, they might have finally found how to fix their 10-nm process.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, 3 months later, even if many devices with Tiger Lake have been announced,
> > > at least in Europe, I have not succeeded to notice anyone of them being sold anywhere.
> > >
> >
> > Out of interest, I talked to Dell reseller and he confirmed.
> > Dell New Vostro series 5301 and 5402 appears on the web site, but they don't accept orders.
> >
> > But then I took a look at what's available in the retail and it appears different.
> > Asus ZenBook 13 UX325 with i5-1135G7 is available right now in the store less
> > than 3km from my office. Same for i7-1165G7. Same for ZenBook 14 UX425.
> >
> > So, it seems, if I want TGL for work, I'd have to wait until February, or late
> > January at best, but for home with my own money I can get it right now.
> >
>
>
> Actually, you are right, thanks for the info.
>
> Now, searching for these specific ASUS models, I have also found of few of them in some shops nearby me.
>
> However, at least here and now, they are extremely overpriced, in my opinion.
>
> For example, the Asus ZenBook 13 UX325 with i5-1135G7 & 8 GB + 512 GB is here USD 1730 (including
> taxes),

1260 here. It's a special offer, original price was 1400.

> while similar ASUS laptops with Ryzen 5 Renoir are less than half of that price.
>

No cheap ASUS+AMD laptops in either of the two main networks here.
One has only relatively expensive ROG Zephyrus with Ryzen 7 4800HS.
For cheap Ryzen 5 they offer Huawei

The other network has more affordable ZenBook 14 UM425 with 4700U for 1320 USD and no Ryzen 5 at all.

I also took a look at smaller network that used to sell lot of AMD, but it's the same - very few AMD offerings generally and only Huawei is cheap.