By: Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com), November 4, 2020 5:46 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Paul (pavel.delete@this.noa-labs.com) on November 3, 2020 1:52 pm wrote:
> Anon (no.delete@this.thanks.com) on November 3, 2020 4:08 am wrote:
> >
> > Really? Like what? 99.99% of non-gaming "consumer" use cases are covered by
> > a basic integrated GPU. It needs to encode/decode video using dedicated hardware
> > blocks (not general purpose shaders), and render Facebook smoothly.
> >
> > Consumers aren't running GPU accelerated workloads in Adobe software. Consumers aren't running
> > non-gaming AR or VR on their PC. What other GPU heavy workloads does a standard consumer run?
>
> Have you considered the possibility that they simply want it? You don't need to try rationalising every
> purchasing decision, especially when people have enough money, and simply want to buy a "mid-tier" PC?
>
> Not to mention that a lot of CPUs are now coming without GPUs now, even
> Intel has reversed on this trend for upper-mid tier and above dies.
Although this doesn't answer the question about actual needs, I think it is a good point. My parents have never had any need for something better than integrated GPU, yet every desktop they have bought has had a discrete GPU. Both (two) of the laptops with iGPU I've owned have also had discrete GPUs (in both cases, I don't count them as value add at all, but rather something I have to live with). It seems to be impossible to buy pre-built PC with mid-range or faster CPU or plenty of RAM or disk space, without also buying a mid-range GPU.
-JLarja
> Anon (no.delete@this.thanks.com) on November 3, 2020 4:08 am wrote:
> >
> > Really? Like what? 99.99% of non-gaming "consumer" use cases are covered by
> > a basic integrated GPU. It needs to encode/decode video using dedicated hardware
> > blocks (not general purpose shaders), and render Facebook smoothly.
> >
> > Consumers aren't running GPU accelerated workloads in Adobe software. Consumers aren't running
> > non-gaming AR or VR on their PC. What other GPU heavy workloads does a standard consumer run?
>
> Have you considered the possibility that they simply want it? You don't need to try rationalising every
> purchasing decision, especially when people have enough money, and simply want to buy a "mid-tier" PC?
>
> Not to mention that a lot of CPUs are now coming without GPUs now, even
> Intel has reversed on this trend for upper-mid tier and above dies.
Although this doesn't answer the question about actual needs, I think it is a good point. My parents have never had any need for something better than integrated GPU, yet every desktop they have bought has had a discrete GPU. Both (two) of the laptops with iGPU I've owned have also had discrete GPUs (in both cases, I don't count them as value add at all, but rather something I have to live with). It seems to be impossible to buy pre-built PC with mid-range or faster CPU or plenty of RAM or disk space, without also buying a mid-range GPU.
-JLarja
