By: Anne O. Nymous (not.delete@this.real.address), January 15, 2021 12:19 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on January 15, 2021 7:27 am wrote:
> Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on January 15, 2021 5:57 am wrote:
> > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on January 14, 2021 11:13 am wrote:
> > > Jörn Engel (joern.delete@this.purestorage.com) on January 14, 2021 10:42 am wrote:
> > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on January 14, 2021 7:26 am wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm basically in agreement with Maynard about this. I've never had anywhere near as many customers as
> > > > > Apple :-) but even so a major consideration for me has always been the support costs.
> > > >
> > > > You are considering a different question. Your question is "Why would Apple
> > > > want to...". My question is "Why would I (or some other user) want to...".
> > > >
> > > > Of course Apple doesn't care whether I, Linus or the other twelve people buy an extra machine
> > > > to run Linux on it. Doesn't invalidate our reasons to prefer bare metal over hypervisors.
> > >
> > > Eveyone who writes software has support costs unless it is just a private hobby tinkering
> > > around with their own machine.This thread is about gaining perhaps 3% performance if things
> > > work out okay and incurring the trouble of writing ones own drivers which might go out
> > > of date in the next iteration. And for what from the point of view of a user?
> >
> > You presume that MacOS is better OS than Linux (for whatever value of "better").
> >
> > -JLarja
>
> I presume only that a good hypervisor can be built which splits off what is needed to
> be done by the operating system and the firmware that is more dependent on the specific
> version of the hardware. And that a lot of people are interested in security.
>
How does adding more between the bare metal and the OS add to security? Sure a hypothetical flawless hypervisor might do the trick, but how is that any more secure than an equally hypothetical flawless OS? This is not an argument why apple should or should not consider this just a question about your argument ;)
> Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on January 15, 2021 5:57 am wrote:
> > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on January 14, 2021 11:13 am wrote:
> > > Jörn Engel (joern.delete@this.purestorage.com) on January 14, 2021 10:42 am wrote:
> > > > dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on January 14, 2021 7:26 am wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm basically in agreement with Maynard about this. I've never had anywhere near as many customers as
> > > > > Apple :-) but even so a major consideration for me has always been the support costs.
> > > >
> > > > You are considering a different question. Your question is "Why would Apple
> > > > want to...". My question is "Why would I (or some other user) want to...".
> > > >
> > > > Of course Apple doesn't care whether I, Linus or the other twelve people buy an extra machine
> > > > to run Linux on it. Doesn't invalidate our reasons to prefer bare metal over hypervisors.
> > >
> > > Eveyone who writes software has support costs unless it is just a private hobby tinkering
> > > around with their own machine.This thread is about gaining perhaps 3% performance if things
> > > work out okay and incurring the trouble of writing ones own drivers which might go out
> > > of date in the next iteration. And for what from the point of view of a user?
> >
> > You presume that MacOS is better OS than Linux (for whatever value of "better").
> >
> > -JLarja
>
> I presume only that a good hypervisor can be built which splits off what is needed to
> be done by the operating system and the firmware that is more dependent on the specific
> version of the hardware. And that a lot of people are interested in security.
>
How does adding more between the bare metal and the OS add to security? Sure a hypothetical flawless hypervisor might do the trick, but how is that any more secure than an equally hypothetical flawless OS? This is not an argument why apple should or should not consider this just a question about your argument ;)
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