Windows and kernel time

By: James (no.delete@this.thanks.invalid), November 27, 2020 6:35 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com) on November 27, 2020 3:34 am wrote:

> IMHO, the correct question is "Why force zeros to main DRAM at all?".
> What's wrong with zeroing page in cache and relaying on normal cache evictions for taking care of the rest?
> Combined L3 bandwidth on Ryzen 3950X (4 L3s, dual-channel DDR4) could easily be 10x of bandwidth of main
> memory. And the chance that the page will be read by the same CCD at least once before evicted is high.

Doesn't it depend on when and what's doing the zeroing?

If a program wants to zero memory for its own use, I'm sure you're right.

If the OS is zeroing memory before it hands it out to processes, it may well want to keep a pool of pre-zeroed memory. In this case, the latency is less important, and it might be longer before the page is used.

A quick overview came up with this LWN article, suggesting that the Linux kernel community have at least looked into this -- I'm not sure what the kernel does these days.
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                                              I take it no one here has any real storage admin experienceDoug S2020/12/02 10:57 AM
                                                I take it no one here has any real storage admin experienceDavid Hess2020/12/02 03:46 PM
                                        The macOS performance deficitSimon Farnsworth2020/12/01 03:50 AM
                                        The macOS performance deficitRicardo B2020/12/01 11:23 AM
                        The macOS performance deficitanon22020/11/29 01:20 PM
                  The macOS performance deficitDoug S2020/11/29 09:18 AM
                    The macOS performance deficitLinus Torvalds2020/11/29 11:03 AM
                      The macOS performance deficitHoward Chu2020/11/30 09:07 AM
                        The macOS performance deficitLinus Torvalds2020/11/30 11:05 AM
                          The macOS performance deficitrwessel2020/11/30 11:54 AM
                          The macOS performance deficitanon2020/11/30 03:05 PM
                          The macOS performance deficitHoward Chu2020/11/30 07:57 PM
                            The macOS performance deficitLinus Torvalds2020/11/30 10:34 PM
                              The macOS performance deficitBrett2020/11/30 11:34 PM
                                The macOS performance deficitBrett2020/12/01 01:47 PM
                                  The macOS performance deficitLinus Torvalds2020/12/01 02:57 PM
                                    The macOS performance deficitPatrick Schlüter aka gallier22020/12/02 07:31 AM
                                    The macOS performance deficitDoug S2020/12/02 11:07 AM
                                      The macOS performance deficitAdrian2020/12/03 02:50 AM
                                        The macOS performance deficitLinus Torvalds2020/12/03 12:28 PM
                                          The macOS performance deficitAdrian2020/12/03 12:40 PM
                                    The macOS performance deficitBrett2020/12/02 02:49 PM
                                The macOS performance deficitDavid Hess2020/12/01 08:17 PM
                              BitKeeperanon2020/12/01 12:03 AM
                                BitKeeperanon2020/12/01 12:28 AM
                                charlatansanon22020/12/01 02:57 AM
                                  charlatansMichael S2020/12/01 04:30 AM
                                    charlatansanon22020/12/01 05:38 AM
                                      charlatansrwessel2020/12/01 06:18 AM
                                      version controlMichael S2020/12/02 11:50 AM
                                        version controlLinus Torvalds2020/12/02 01:18 PM
                                          Cheap commits are a huge git winCarson2020/12/08 02:05 AM
                                        version controlanon22020/12/02 08:43 PM
                                BitKeeperLinus Torvalds2020/12/01 11:35 AM
                                  BitKeeperanon2020/12/01 03:42 PM
                                    BitKeeperanonymou52020/12/01 05:26 PM
                                    Larry? (NT)anon22020/12/01 08:25 PM
                                      Larry McVoy, the lead developer of bitkeeper (NT)Carson2020/12/08 02:07 AM
                              The macOS performance deficitDoug S2020/12/01 09:42 AM
                            The macOS performance deficitrwessel2020/12/01 05:51 AM
                              The macOS performance deficitanon2020/12/01 02:49 PM
                        LMDB transactionsanon2020/11/30 02:58 PM
                          LMDB transactionsHoward Chu2020/11/30 07:29 PM
                            LMDB transactionsanon2020/11/30 11:44 PM
                              LMDB transactionsHoward Chu2020/12/01 12:44 PM
                                LMDB transactionsanon2020/12/01 02:33 PM
                                  LMDB transactionsHoward Chu2020/12/02 08:52 AM
                                    LMDB transactionsHoward Chu2020/12/02 08:55 AM
                                      LMDB transactionsAnon2020/12/02 10:54 AM
                        Fossil SCM (SQLite based) works pretty well (NT)anonymous22020/11/30 03:50 PM
                      The macOS performance deficitAnon2020/12/01 11:39 PM
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