By: Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com), January 1, 2021 10:43 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Gabriele Svelto (gabriele.svelto.delete@this.gmail.com) on January 1, 2021 7:10 am wrote:
> me (me.delete@this.me.com) on December 31, 2020 4:56 pm wrote:
> > > AMD has their actual server CPU line too, and you do pay more for that privilege, but at least
> > > AMD doesn't try to screw you over and limit their non-server parts. So you do get ECC for Threadripper
> > > (and plain Ryzen) too, even if it's not necessarily "officially verified".
> > >
> >
> > You would think that for people who want/need ECC, they
> > are going to want CPUs that are officially verified.
>
> What does "officially" mean in this context? All non-APU Ryzen CPUs support ECC if the motherboards have the
> necessary traces and UEFI support. Motherboard vendors advertise this support quite clearly in the specs.
Trying to google about how well the unofficial support works, I get lot of hits about people saying that yes, it works, without any proof. I don't see people with a test DIMMs known to produce single bit errors making sure the unofficial support works, or making sure it works in every CPU or at least gives some easy to see error somewhere if it doesn't (I'm sure someone somewhere has tested something, but it gets lost in the noise. Anecdotes are only useful if there's enough of them to be statistically significant).
I really like what AMD is doing with CPUs, but unofficial ECC support just annoys me. It's supposed to give me peace of mind and eliminate one source of random problems. "Unofficial" really doesn't work great with that goal.
-JLarja
> me (me.delete@this.me.com) on December 31, 2020 4:56 pm wrote:
> > > AMD has their actual server CPU line too, and you do pay more for that privilege, but at least
> > > AMD doesn't try to screw you over and limit their non-server parts. So you do get ECC for Threadripper
> > > (and plain Ryzen) too, even if it's not necessarily "officially verified".
> > >
> >
> > You would think that for people who want/need ECC, they
> > are going to want CPUs that are officially verified.
>
> What does "officially" mean in this context? All non-APU Ryzen CPUs support ECC if the motherboards have the
> necessary traces and UEFI support. Motherboard vendors advertise this support quite clearly in the specs.
Trying to google about how well the unofficial support works, I get lot of hits about people saying that yes, it works, without any proof. I don't see people with a test DIMMs known to produce single bit errors making sure the unofficial support works, or making sure it works in every CPU or at least gives some easy to see error somewhere if it doesn't (I'm sure someone somewhere has tested something, but it gets lost in the noise. Anecdotes are only useful if there's enough of them to be statistically significant).
I really like what AMD is doing with CPUs, but unofficial ECC support just annoys me. It's supposed to give me peace of mind and eliminate one source of random problems. "Unofficial" really doesn't work great with that goal.
-JLarja