By: Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com), July 6, 2021 3:15 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Anon (notthemilkybarkid.delete@this.gmail.com) on July 6, 2021 1:01 am wrote:
> Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on July 5, 2021 1:47 pm wrote:
> > When Windows ARM beats
> > x86, the shine will drop off x86, and people will pick the ARM double stack.
> >
> > Intel needs a Hail Mary performance product or they are DOOMED.
>
> For that to happen, Qualcomm need to get their head out of their arse and stop trying to bundle
> modems with everything. A 5G modem is an expensive waste of space for 99% of laptop users,
> who want to use their laptop on WiFi... And the other 1% can tether to their phone.
>
> Hopefully their Nuvia core can turn things around, but so far every
> laptop part from QC has been overpriced and underwhelming.
Methinks, overpriced is far more important than underwhelming.
Starting from SD855, for the audience this subthread is concerned about, CPU performance is acceptable.
Of course, Nuvia cores are not going to help to lower price. If anything, they would make things worse.
I am not even convinced that Qualcomm SOC price is the main obstacle. IMHO, a bigger problem is lack of interest from "cheap" OEMs, i.e. first and foremost Acer, but also from Gigabyte and MSI. Even HP is able to make decent cheap HW far better than MS. And they are also not interested.
As to wireless modem, I think, as far as Microsoft is concerned, it's strategic thing they are not going to give up on. They want their WinArm users hooked all the time, just as Google and Apple. Despite being hugely successful software vendor, Microsoft of today don't believe that vending (as opposed to leasing) software is a sustainable busyness.
> Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on July 5, 2021 1:47 pm wrote:
> > When Windows ARM beats
> > x86, the shine will drop off x86, and people will pick the ARM double stack.
> >
> > Intel needs a Hail Mary performance product or they are DOOMED.
>
> For that to happen, Qualcomm need to get their head out of their arse and stop trying to bundle
> modems with everything. A 5G modem is an expensive waste of space for 99% of laptop users,
> who want to use their laptop on WiFi... And the other 1% can tether to their phone.
>
> Hopefully their Nuvia core can turn things around, but so far every
> laptop part from QC has been overpriced and underwhelming.
Methinks, overpriced is far more important than underwhelming.
Starting from SD855, for the audience this subthread is concerned about, CPU performance is acceptable.
Of course, Nuvia cores are not going to help to lower price. If anything, they would make things worse.
I am not even convinced that Qualcomm SOC price is the main obstacle. IMHO, a bigger problem is lack of interest from "cheap" OEMs, i.e. first and foremost Acer, but also from Gigabyte and MSI. Even HP is able to make decent cheap HW far better than MS. And they are also not interested.
As to wireless modem, I think, as far as Microsoft is concerned, it's strategic thing they are not going to give up on. They want their WinArm users hooked all the time, just as Google and Apple. Despite being hugely successful software vendor, Microsoft of today don't believe that vending (as opposed to leasing) software is a sustainable busyness.
