"DOOMED"

By: Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar), July 7, 2021 12:21 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on July 6, 2021 10:55 pm wrote:
> Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on July 6, 2021 8:41 am wrote:
>
> > I agree that including a cellular modem in a laptop is stupid in a world where everyone who uses
> > a laptop also uses a smartphone, and thus can tether it if they need access where wifi isn't available.
>
> Does that go for tablets too? I personally agree that having one device with cellular connectivity and tethering
> in rare cases when needed is enough. Nevertheless, other people aren't me, and it seems that there is a
> market for tablets with cellular modem. I don't know why there wouldn't be one for laptops too.


I think the cellular tablet market is sales/support people who work on the road - their company buys them the tablet and a corporate data plan. They need to work in their car in a parking lot, they might not be able to connect to a client's wifi, etc. Consumers aren't buying these unless they are a real niche case where they are using a tablet on the beach or something like that and rarely have wifi. If you need cellular capability in a tablet it MUST be built in, either part of the SoC or a chip that is included during manufacture like Apple does.

For a laptop there's no need to integrate cellular during manufacture. The OEM can install a cellular m.2 card during order customization - or aftermarket, consumers can buy a cellular USB stick. There's no reason to try to force everyone to pay the upcharge when only 1% of buyers need it. Qualcomm has some pretty transparent reasons for wanting this, of course, but in the end all trying to force that will do is lose sales to other ARM SoC vendors and/or Intel/AMD who will be able to easily undercut them on price.

It will be interesting to see what Apple does when they have their own modem that gets included on the iPhone SoC, since they use that same SoC in the low end non-Pro iPad. They probably don't want to bump up the base price like they'd need to if every one came with cellular. They may fuse off the modem during manufacture of wifi only iPads, though possibly you might be able to buy an "upgrade" to enable the dormant cellular modem post-sale.
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