Anon (no.delete@this.spam.com) on July 12, 2021 11:42 pm wrote:
> cqwrteur (euloanty.delete@this.live.com) on July 12, 2021 11:05 pm wrote:
> > LOL. Try to educate people like me who never use OOP?
> >
> > Also you said you cannot use python, java whatever. That only proves you are out.
> >
> > I use C with Concepts. Not C with Classes. OOP is dead.
>
> Well, I see where this is going, I saw this before.
>
> Ypu are bashing OOP because OOP does not address the specific
> niche you care about, well, for a lot of areas, it does.
>
> But, you seens to like C++, no, you seens to love C++, and C++ is OOP, but, I know, you don't use
> C++ OOP's features, and C++ serves you, because C++ is just a collection of features without a
> purpose and anyone working alone can choose a limited set of features and give it a purpose.
>
> But hey, you are talking about another niche, you are taling about kernel, where a lot of different
> people write code for, and those people does not agree on which C++ subset should be allowed.
>
> Have you ever thought that's the exact reason why Linus doesn't like C++?

This reason is strange.

Technically, with sufficient tooling support, tailoring an language dialect is not much different to tailoring a library dependency, even when you have to handle an existing codebase under different rules. (In many cases, #pragma GCC poison should be your friend.) Are there any difficulties to limit users from some library interfaces?

And Linux has already tailored the C dialect by things like "-fno-strict-aliasing" (well, C++ dialects has similar choices). Another example specific to C is VLA removing (and ironically someone think C++ is saner here).

So, to determine or to alter a subset of the language features to be used in future are not fresh concepts. It seems that just some people are lazy to walk through all the "new" features in C++; keep C++ totally away is an indeed effect shortcut. But this does not show why Rust can be acceptable differently.

> I know that you isn't good at communication with other humans, your posts
> proves that, nut, if you were forced to communicate with humans with different
> opinions from you, wouldn't you think Rust is a pallatable tradeoff?
>
> I already know how is C++ from people with different opinions
> from me, and that is hell, have you ever experienced that?

I fail to see Rust different to C++ here.