By: Anon (no.delete@this.spam.com), August 3, 2022 9:15 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on August 3, 2022 12:50 am wrote:
> I believe that, taking into account what has been offered during the last decade, it makes sense
> to consider as "small cores" those designed to have a good performance at a power consumption
> of around 0.5 W, e.g. Cortex-A55 or Cortex-A510, as "medium cores", those designed to have a
> good performance at a power consumption of around 2 W, e.g. the various Intel Atom cores and
> Cortex-A78/Cortex-A710, and as "big cores", those designed to have a good performance at around
> 4 W, e.g. the Intel/AMD big cores, the Apple big cores or Cortex-X1/Cortex-X2.
>
>
> Using the above terminology, I believe that there is no difficulty in implementing the execution units required
> by the AVX-512 ISA and its 32 wide registers, even in a "small core", when using an up-to-date CMOS process,
> obviously with the expected trade-off between performance and core area and power consumption.
>
> Taking into account the extreme reluctance of Intel to implement an AVX instruction decoder in the past
> Atom cores, and now an AVX-512 instruction decoder in Gracemont, i.e. even in its medium-sized cores, I
> believe that the huge complexity of decoding the complete x86-64 ISA causes non-negligible overheads on
> all cores that are not "big", and this is the main difficulty that has prevented Intel in achieving ISA
> uniformity like ARM, and not any difficulty in implementing the AVX-512 execution units and registers.
There is another datapoint: AMD, which will only implement AVX-512 on Zen 4, and I am not sure if Zen 4 should be considered "big" or "huge" when compared to "big" Cortex-X1 or even Zen 3.
> I believe that, taking into account what has been offered during the last decade, it makes sense
> to consider as "small cores" those designed to have a good performance at a power consumption
> of around 0.5 W, e.g. Cortex-A55 or Cortex-A510, as "medium cores", those designed to have a
> good performance at a power consumption of around 2 W, e.g. the various Intel Atom cores and
> Cortex-A78/Cortex-A710, and as "big cores", those designed to have a good performance at around
> 4 W, e.g. the Intel/AMD big cores, the Apple big cores or Cortex-X1/Cortex-X2.
>
>
> Using the above terminology, I believe that there is no difficulty in implementing the execution units required
> by the AVX-512 ISA and its 32 wide registers, even in a "small core", when using an up-to-date CMOS process,
> obviously with the expected trade-off between performance and core area and power consumption.
>
> Taking into account the extreme reluctance of Intel to implement an AVX instruction decoder in the past
> Atom cores, and now an AVX-512 instruction decoder in Gracemont, i.e. even in its medium-sized cores, I
> believe that the huge complexity of decoding the complete x86-64 ISA causes non-negligible overheads on
> all cores that are not "big", and this is the main difficulty that has prevented Intel in achieving ISA
> uniformity like ARM, and not any difficulty in implementing the AVX-512 execution units and registers.
There is another datapoint: AMD, which will only implement AVX-512 on Zen 4, and I am not sure if Zen 4 should be considered "big" or "huge" when compared to "big" Cortex-X1 or even Zen 3.
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x86 MUL 64x64 | Adrian | 2022/07/26 02:27 AM |
x86 MUL 64x64 | none | 2022/07/26 02:38 AM |
x86 MUL 64x64 | Jörn Engel | 2022/07/26 10:17 AM |
x86 MUL 64x64 | Linus Torvalds | 2022/07/27 10:13 AM |
x86 MUL 64x64 | ⚛ | 2022/07/28 09:40 AM |
x86 MUL 64x64 | Jörn Engel | 2022/07/28 10:18 AM |
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More than 3 registers per instruction | Jörn Engel | 2022/07/28 10:42 PM |
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Computations on Big Integers | none | 2022/07/26 02:17 AM |
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Computations on Big Integers | --- | 2022/07/26 09:57 AM |
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Computations on Big Integers in Apple AMX Units | Bill G | 2022/07/26 04:28 AM |
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IEEE binary64 is 53 bits rather than 52. | Adrian | 2022/07/26 07:32 AM |
IEEE binary64 is 53 bits rather than 52. | Michael S | 2022/07/26 10:02 AM |
IEEE binary64 is 53 bits rather than 52. | Adrian | 2022/07/27 06:58 AM |
IEEE binary64 is 53 bits rather than 52. | none | 2022/07/27 07:14 AM |
IEEE binary64 is 53 bits rather than 52. | Adrian | 2022/07/27 07:55 AM |
Thanks a lot for the link to the article! (NT) | none | 2022/07/27 08:09 AM |
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Typo | Michael S | 2022/07/26 10:25 AM |
Typo | zArchJon | 2022/07/26 11:52 AM |
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Big integer multiplication with vector IFMA | Adrian | 2022/07/29 01:35 AM |
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Big integer multiplication with vector IFMA | Adrian | 2022/07/29 09:47 PM |
Big integer multiplication with vector IFMA | Anon | 2022/07/30 08:12 AM |
Big integer multiplication with vector IFMA | Adrian | 2022/07/30 09:27 AM |
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AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | Anon | 2022/07/31 03:33 PM |
AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | anonymou5 | 2022/07/31 05:03 PM |
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Why can't E-cores have narrow/slow AVX-512? | anonymou5 | 2022/08/02 10:13 AM |
Why can't E-cores have narrow/slow AVX-512? | Dummond D. Slow | 2022/08/02 03:02 PM |
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AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | Anon | 2022/08/02 09:09 PM |
AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | Adrian | 2022/08/03 12:50 AM |
AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | Anon | 2022/08/03 09:15 AM |
AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | -.- | 2022/08/03 08:17 PM |
AVX-512 unfriendly to heter-performance cores | Anon | 2022/08/03 09:02 PM |
IFMA: empty promises from Intel as usual | Kent R | 2022/07/29 07:15 PM |
No hype lasts forever | Anon | 2022/07/30 08:06 AM |
Big integer multiplication with vector IFMA | me | 2022/07/30 09:15 AM |
Computations on Big Integers | --- | 2022/07/26 09:48 AM |
Computations on Big Integers | none | 2022/07/27 01:10 AM |
Computations on Big Integers | --- | 2022/07/28 11:43 AM |
Computations on Big Integers | --- | 2022/07/28 06:44 PM |
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Computations on Big Integers | Brett | 2022/07/27 11:07 AM |
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Strange definition of the word single. (NT) | anon2 | 2021/10/21 05:00 PM |
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Yeah. Blame spec.org, too, though! | anon2 | 2021/10/21 08:07 PM |
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Yeah. Blame spec.org, too, though! | Rayla | 2022/07/17 09:13 AM |
Yeah. Blame spec.org, too, though! | Anon | 2022/07/17 12:01 PM |