Brett (ggtgp.delete@this.yahoo.com) on May 19, 2022 10:55 am wrote:
> Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org) on May 18, 2022 11:57 pm wrote:
> > Jukka Larja (roskakori2006.delete@this.gmail.com) on May 18, 2022 6:47 am wrote:
> > > me (me.delete@this.me.com) on May 18, 2022 5:50 am wrote:
> > > > > More likely, the opposite is going to happen in the next ten years: AVX512-less CPUs
> > > > > will rule the installed base and AVX512 will be, at best, HPC-only curiosity.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2021-2022 are peak years for AVx512 in terms of shipment and
> > > > > 2023 would be a peak year in terms of installed base.
> > > >
> > > > AVX-512 will be back on Intel's mainstream products. Eventually.
> > > > Especially since AMD is adding it in Zen 4.
> > >
> > > Just out of curiosity, has AMD said something official about
> > > this? I know there are rumours, but they go many ways.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure if Intel has said anything official, but I think there's a good reason to presume that
> > > next Core models (13th generation) to be released by the end of this year or early next year will
> > > still not have AVX-512 (due to efficiency cores not having it). By the 2024 who knows what makes
> > > sense and what not? Both Intel and AMD could decide that AVX-512 doesn't make sense in consumer
> > > products, or only makes sense as some heavily crippled, micro-coded compatibility thingy.
> >
> > There have been published some claims of people who have tested Genoa
> > engineering samples that AVX-512 support is indeed present.
> >
> > The only uncertain things are whether AVX-512 will also be enabled in the desktop
> > Ryzen Zen 4, or AMD will imitate Intel by disabling it, and whether the mobile
> > Ryzen Zen 4 will support AVX-512, being a separately designed chip.
>
> So AMD has the cash for separate desktop and mobile chips, great news.
>

In the sense of your whining about Intel, no, AMD chips are not "separate".
The same core design, different dies. Not different from they were doing since very first "APU" in 2011.
Intel, on the other hand, had [similar, but] different cores for servers and clients since 2017Q3.

> I have been whining about cheap ass Intel having one design for both desktop
> and mobile for a decade. Intel does have mobile only chips now, but that
> may partially be because the new fab process does not clock as high. ;)