By: Heikki Kultala (heikk.i.kultal.a.delete@this.gmail.com), June 2, 2022 10:45 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Anon (no.delete@this.spam.com) on June 2, 2022 12:35 am wrote:
> Eric Fink (eric.delete@this.anon.com) on June 2, 2022 12:20 am wrote:
> > I would agree with everything you said, but there is still the fact that M1 — while prioritising
> > power consumption — is essentially reaching identical performance as the x86 chips. Sure, binned
> > desktop Alder Lake is marginally faster (~20% , but it also pays a significant ~5x penalty in power
> > consumption to get at most ~20% higher ST performance. So I am not sure about the accuracy of the statement
> > that Apple prioritises power over performance — kind of seems to me that Apple gets both.
>
> Apple is using TSMC 5nm while Intel is using 10nm which they call 7nm
Totally wrong.
Apple is using TSMC ~15nm process which TSMC calls "N5". N5 is just a name.
Intel is using ~18nm process which they originally marketed as "10nm" and now call it "Intel 7". Those 10 and 7 are only names.
> and AMD uses TSMC's 7nm, and both Intel Intel and AMD supports SMT.
Wrong. AMD uses TSMC's 20nm process which TSMC calls "N7". THis N7 is only a name.
And SMT has NOTHING to do with single-thread performance.
There is no 7 nm or 5nm anywhere.
> Eric Fink (eric.delete@this.anon.com) on June 2, 2022 12:20 am wrote:
> > I would agree with everything you said, but there is still the fact that M1 — while prioritising
> > power consumption — is essentially reaching identical performance as the x86 chips. Sure, binned
> > desktop Alder Lake is marginally faster (~20% , but it also pays a significant ~5x penalty in power
> > consumption to get at most ~20% higher ST performance. So I am not sure about the accuracy of the statement
> > that Apple prioritises power over performance — kind of seems to me that Apple gets both.
>
> Apple is using TSMC 5nm while Intel is using 10nm which they call 7nm
Totally wrong.
Apple is using TSMC ~15nm process which TSMC calls "N5". N5 is just a name.
Intel is using ~18nm process which they originally marketed as "10nm" and now call it "Intel 7". Those 10 and 7 are only names.
> and AMD uses TSMC's 7nm, and both Intel Intel and AMD supports SMT.
Wrong. AMD uses TSMC's 20nm process which TSMC calls "N7". THis N7 is only a name.
And SMT has NOTHING to do with single-thread performance.
There is no 7 nm or 5nm anywhere.