Adding Neural Engines to x86

By: --- (---.delete@this.redheron.com), June 5, 2022 5:34 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Peter Lewis (peter.delete@this.notyahoo.com) on June 4, 2022 7:06 pm wrote:
> One thing that might help x86 to survive is if more chip area on future processors is used for special-purpose
> accelerators, such as neural engines, rather than CPU cores. The smaller the fraction of transistors used
> for CPU cores, the less differences between x86 and ARM will matter. That theory didn’t work for Intel
> when they tried to make cell phone chips but maybe it will work for future processors with special-purpose
> accelerators. Intel’s future Meteor Lake CPU is rumored to contain a neural engine.
>
> Intel or AMD could make 3 versions of a processor with 25%, 50% and 75% of chip area used
> for CPU cores and 75%, 50% and 25% used for neural engines. This could be implemented by
> having two tile types and varying the fraction of each tile type on a module. The neural
> engine and the software stack that supports it would need to be as good as Nvidia’s.

Are Microsoft (or Android) making interesting use of neural engines (and their "equivalents" like GPUs) when they exist today? Will Intel be reluctant to add them because it will be ten years before MS takes advantage of them?

In the case of Apple it's unclear where the neural engine proper is being used.

Neural nets (of some sort) are being used on the local device for a few things like keyboard prediction (so, so) and Siri+text to speech to text (IMHO this part, the voice recognition and text to speech or speech to text work well; the stuff after that works less well, but that's also not on-local-device so not relevant). But it's unclear either of those are demanding enough to require an NPU.

Apple has three interesting vision technologies that appear to use the NPU (as opposed to other vision technologies, like recognizing poses, or memoji, or putting rectangles around faces which are probably done by the VPU).
One (possibly, details unclear) is FaceID.
The second two (definite) are recognizing stuff in photos. The UI for this is kinda clunky, but it does work pretty well. When you can figure the UI (good luck...) the device will recognize a variety of things, from landmarks to famous works of art to animal or plant types. Along with recognizing stuff, there is also recognizing text in images (also clunky, different, UI) which also works pretty well. In a sense it's "just" OCR, but it's OCR that works very well, and handles a lot of handwriting, fancy scripts, weird cases like vertical writing, and so on. These both don't *require* the NPU but does use it when available, and runs faster and lower power as a result.

Other possibilities like translation maybe use the NPU (you can, I think, in the latest OSs force downloads and get local translation without requiring a connection) but the use of NPU hasn't been validated.

Point is: NPU takes up a not-negligible amount of area, has been iterated on repeatedly, and yet doesn't seem to do much. What it does is nice, and is a little faster and lower power on a phone, but works just as well on an Intel Mac. So what's the value in the NPU?
The current fashionable answer (just you wait for WWDC, just you wait...) is Neural Radiance Fields which are, to hear certain people say it, the next thing in 3D technology, past both polygons and ray tracing. Is there anything to this? I have no idea.

But a skeptic could say that,
- right now, there appears no *compelling* reason for Intel to add one to their SoCs
- Apple (so far...) also can't figure out what to do with it except minor energy savings for a fairly rare (recognize image or text) operation

Is the magic bullet AR? Is it language? Beats me. But whatever it is, what's the maximum speed at which MS will implement anything taking advantage of an NPU?
It's fine to wave your hands and say Open Source, but I'm unaware of any great innovative used by open source of any sort of NPU. For example comskip could, I suspect, do a vastly better job of recognizing commercial breaks by using some ML, but that's hasn't happened yet.
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    Questions About Apple's AVX512---2022/05/13 08:33 AM
      Questions About Apple's AVX512Doug S2022/05/13 09:22 AM
        Questions About Apple's AVX512---2022/05/13 01:05 PM
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            Questions About Apple's AVX512Anon12022/05/13 11:53 PM
            Questions About Apple's AVX512Simon Farnsworth2022/05/14 04:20 AM
              Questions About Apple's AVX512Michael S2022/05/14 11:27 AM
                Questions About Apple's AVX512Doug S2022/05/15 09:50 AM
                  Questions About Apple's AVX512Michael S2022/05/15 12:01 PM
                    Questions About Apple's AVX512Doug S2022/05/15 11:59 PM
                      Questions About Apple's AVX512Michael S2022/05/16 01:29 AM
                    what it takes to really vectorizeRichardC2022/05/16 01:47 PM
                  Questions About Apple's AVX512---2022/05/16 09:22 PM
                    Questions About Apple's AVX512rwessel2022/05/17 12:42 AM
                      Questions About Apple's AVX512anon12022/05/17 03:47 AM
                        Questions About Apple's AVX512Michael S2022/05/17 05:28 AM
                          Questions About Apple's AVX512anon12022/05/18 12:15 AM
                            Questions About Apple's AVX512-.-2022/05/18 02:41 AM
                              Questions About Apple's AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/18 09:23 PM
                                Questions About Apple's AVX512-.-2022/05/19 05:11 AM
                                  Questions About Apple's AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/19 05:45 AM
                                    Questions About Apple's AVX512-.-2022/05/20 03:04 AM
                                      Questions About Apple's AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/20 09:00 PM
                Questions About Apple's AVX512anon12022/05/16 03:44 AM
              Questions About Apple's AVX512Jörn Engel2022/05/15 10:34 PM
                Questions About Apple's AVX512Simon Farnsworth2022/05/16 03:13 AM
                  Questions About Apple's AVX512Jörn Engel2022/05/16 11:52 AM
                    Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeCharlie Burnes2022/05/16 05:57 PM
                      Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeJörn Engel2022/05/16 11:30 PM
                        Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeCharlie Burnes2022/05/17 02:31 AM
                          Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeJörn Engel2022/05/17 09:24 AM
                            Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeCharlie Burnes2022/05/17 10:21 AM
                              Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeJörn Engel2022/05/17 01:11 PM
                                OpenMP SIMD DirectivesCharlie Burnes2022/05/17 03:05 PM
                                  OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJörn Engel2022/05/17 04:14 PM
                                    OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJan Wassenberg2022/05/20 09:12 PM
                                      OpenMP SIMD DirectivesFreddie2022/05/21 06:13 AM
                                        OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJan Wassenberg2022/05/21 09:54 PM
                                      OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJörn Engel2022/05/21 12:23 PM
                                        Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticCharlie Burnes2022/05/21 09:11 PM
                                          Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticJan Wassenberg2022/05/21 10:16 PM
                                            Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 05:30 AM
                                              Removal of NEONDoug S2022/05/22 09:57 AM
                                                Removal of NEONCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 12:12 PM
                                                Removal of NEON-.-2022/05/23 03:23 AM
                                                  Removal of NEONDoug S2022/05/23 07:08 AM
                                                    Removal of NEONdmcq2022/05/23 11:59 AM
                                                  Removal of NEONblaine2022/05/24 09:40 PM
                                              Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticJan Wassenberg2022/05/22 11:06 AM
                                                Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 12:06 PM
                                                  Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticJan Wassenberg2022/05/22 09:35 PM
                                              Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnostic-.-2022/05/23 03:28 AM
                                          Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticAdrian2022/05/22 04:04 AM
                                            Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 06:20 AM
                                          Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticJörn Engel2022/05/22 12:13 PM
                                            Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 12:53 PM
                                              Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticJörn Engel2022/05/22 01:49 PM
                                                Unaligned Loads and StoresCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 04:34 PM
                                                Alternative to Highway for code that is not SIMD width agnosticJan Wassenberg2022/05/22 09:46 PM
                                                  Unaligned Loads and StoresCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 11:46 PM
                                                    Unaligned Loads and StoresJan Wassenberg2022/05/23 04:34 AM
                                                  Is Highway a full compiler or yet another LLVM front-end, like icpc ? (NT)Michael S2022/05/23 12:12 AM
                                                    Is Highway a full compiler or yet another LLVM front-end, like icpc ?none2022/05/23 12:57 AM
                                                      Is Highway a full compiler or yet another LLVM front-end, like icpc ?Michael S2022/05/23 01:08 AM
                                                        Is Highway a full compiler or yet another LLVM front-end, like icpc ?Jan Wassenberg2022/05/23 04:38 AM
                                        OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJan Wassenberg2022/05/21 10:07 PM
                                          OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJörn Engel2022/05/22 12:25 PM
                                            OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJan Wassenberg2022/05/22 09:56 PM
                                              OpenMP SIMD DirectivesMichael S2022/05/23 01:32 AM
                                                OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJan Wassenberg2022/05/23 04:49 AM
                                                  OpenMP SIMD DirectivesMichael S2022/05/23 12:04 PM
                                                    OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJan Wassenberg2022/05/23 09:43 PM
                                        OpenMP SIMD Directivesanon22022/05/22 10:42 PM
                                          OpenMP SIMD DirectivesJörn Engel2022/05/22 11:11 PM
                                            OpenMP SIMD Directivesanon22022/05/22 11:47 PM
                                              TemplatesMichael S2022/05/23 01:52 AM
                                                Templatesanon22022/05/23 02:36 AM
                                                  At least use a handle unique in the thread you post in... (NT)anon22022/05/23 07:16 AM
                                              TemplatesJörn Engel2022/05/23 09:41 AM
                              Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Codeanonymou52022/05/17 01:36 PM
                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Charlie Burnes2022/05/17 02:22 PM
                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512anonymou52022/05/18 02:15 AM
                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512anon22022/05/18 02:36 AM
                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512anonymou52022/05/18 04:06 AM
                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/18 04:36 AM
                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512me2022/05/18 04:50 AM
                                            Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/18 05:47 AM
                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512me2022/05/18 08:18 AM
                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Doug S2022/05/18 09:26 AM
                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Brett2022/05/18 10:03 AM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512me2022/05/18 10:35 AM
                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/18 09:31 PM
                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/19 04:58 AM
                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/19 05:55 AM
                                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/19 10:09 AM
                                                            Why Is AVX 512 Useful for RPCS3?-.-2022/06/15 06:04 PM
                                                              Why Is AVX 512 Useful for RPCS3?Jukka Larja2022/06/15 08:33 PM
                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/19 04:56 AM
                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/19 05:49 AM
                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/19 10:14 AM
                                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/19 11:19 AM
                                                            Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/20 09:04 AM
                                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/20 12:48 PM
                                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/20 08:48 PM
                                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/21 06:44 PM
                                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/21 08:48 PM
                                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/22 01:46 AM
                                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/22 04:32 AM
                                                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/22 03:06 PM
                                                                            Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/22 11:59 PM
                                                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/23 10:02 PM
                                                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/24 01:33 AM
                                                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/24 02:18 PM
                                                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/25 05:01 AM
                                                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512zzyzx2022/05/25 02:02 PM
                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Eugene Nalimov2022/05/19 09:25 PM
                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jukka Larja2022/05/20 08:34 AM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/18 09:40 PM
                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Andrey2022/05/19 08:26 AM
                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Brett2022/05/19 10:23 AM
                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Andrey2022/05/19 12:50 PM
                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Brett2022/05/20 10:52 PM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Adrian2022/05/18 11:22 PM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Brendan2022/05/19 03:32 AM
                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/18 09:29 PM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/19 12:14 AM
                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/19 06:02 AM
                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/19 07:13 AM
                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/20 12:34 AM
                                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/20 01:48 AM
                                                          OT Documentation on JPEG XL - site certificate brokenMichael S2022/05/20 02:17 AM
                                                            OT Documentation on JPEG XL - site certificate brokenJan Wassenberg2022/05/20 09:18 PM
                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512-.-2022/05/20 02:55 AM
                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/20 04:51 AM
                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/20 09:54 PM
                                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/20 09:57 PM
                                                            Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/21 09:57 AM
                                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512---2022/05/21 05:59 PM
                                                                Adding instructions to NEON??Doug S2022/05/22 10:01 AM
                                                                  Adding instructions to NEON??---2022/05/22 12:59 PM
                                                                    Adding instructions to NEON??Doug S2022/05/22 07:46 PM
                                                                      Adding instructions to NEON??Michael S2022/05/23 12:04 AM
                                                                        Adding instructions to NEON??anonymou52022/05/24 03:02 PM
                                                                      Adding instructions to NEON??Ungo2022/05/23 01:05 AM
                                                                        Adding instructions to NEON??---2022/05/23 05:49 AM
                                                                          Adding instructions to NEON??Ungo2022/05/23 08:01 PM
                                                                            Adding instructions to NEON??---2022/05/24 09:26 AM
                                                                      Adding instructions to NEON??---2022/05/23 05:56 AM
                                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512noko2022/05/23 11:29 AM
                                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/21 10:47 PM
                                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/22 12:40 AM
                                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/22 03:06 AM
                                                                    Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/22 04:12 AM
                                                                      Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/22 04:53 AM
                                                                        Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/22 05:15 AM
                                                                          Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Jan Wassenberg2022/05/22 10:56 AM
                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512-.-2022/05/18 04:23 PM
                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyCharlie Burnes2022/05/19 02:11 AM
                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/19 03:42 AM
                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyCharlie Burnes2022/05/19 04:30 AM
                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/20 03:06 AM
                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/20 10:32 AM
                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMark2022/05/20 11:15 AM
                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyAndrey2022/05/20 02:34 PM
                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/20 04:29 PM
                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBjörn Ragnar Björnsson2022/05/20 04:54 PM
                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/20 07:42 PM
                                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/20 11:06 PM
                                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyanon22022/05/21 12:45 AM
                                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyDoug S2022/05/21 11:33 AM
                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrett2022/05/21 04:18 PM
                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyanon22022/05/22 12:32 AM
                                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyrwessel2022/05/21 04:05 AM
                                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/21 09:36 AM
                                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyAndrey2022/05/21 10:30 AM
                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/21 11:58 AM
                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/21 03:58 PM
                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only-.-2022/05/21 06:03 PM
                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/22 10:18 AM
                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyAndrey2022/05/22 03:18 PM
                                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/22 07:41 PM
                                                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/22 08:49 PM
                                                                                  Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/22 10:11 PM
                                                                                    Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJörn Engel2022/05/22 10:51 PM
                                                                                      Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchAdrian2022/05/22 11:25 PM
                                                                                        CorrectionAdrian2022/05/22 11:34 PM
                                                                                      Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/22 11:41 PM
                                                                                    Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchUngo2022/05/23 12:27 AM
                                                                                      Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchMichael S2022/05/23 02:14 AM
                                                                                      Heterogeneous ISA?Jan Wassenberg2022/05/23 05:11 AM
                                                                                        RISC-VPeter Lewis2022/05/30 02:45 PM
                                                                                          RISC-VHeikki Kultala2022/05/31 07:59 AM
                                                                                            RISC-VPeter Lewis2022/05/31 03:34 PM
                                                                                              RISC-VDoug S2022/05/31 11:45 PM
                                                                                                RISC-VPeter Lewis2022/06/01 02:55 PM
                                                                                                  RISC-VDoug S2022/06/01 08:50 PM
                                                                                                    RISC-V Eric Fink2022/06/01 11:20 PM
                                                                                                      Process...Anon2022/06/01 11:35 PM
                                                                                                        Process...Peter Lewis2022/06/02 12:54 AM
                                                                                                        Process...Michael S2022/06/02 03:42 AM
                                                                                                        Process...Eric Fink2022/06/02 04:43 AM
                                                                                                          Process...---2022/06/02 12:06 PM
                                                                                                            Process...Peter Lewis2022/06/02 01:01 PM
                                                                                                              Process... ItaniumRichard S2022/06/02 04:14 PM
                                                                                                                ItaniumPeter Lewis2022/06/02 05:07 PM
                                                                                                                  ItaniumRichard S2022/06/02 08:27 PM
                                                                                                                Process... ItaniumMichael S2022/06/03 03:39 AM
                                                                                                                  Process... ItaniumAdrian2022/06/03 04:26 AM
                                                                                                                    Process... ItaniumMichael S2022/06/03 05:32 AM
                                                                                                                      Process... ItaniumAdrian2022/06/03 06:14 AM
                                                                                                              Process...Doug S2022/06/02 09:54 PM
                                                                                                                Process...Peter Lewis2022/06/03 12:19 AM
                                                                                                            Process...Mark Roulo2022/06/02 07:15 PM
                                                                                                              Process...Michael S2022/06/03 04:06 AM
                                                                                                            Process...Brendan2022/06/02 08:13 PM
                                                                                                          Process...anon22022/06/02 03:13 PM
                                                                                                            Process...Eric Fink2022/06/02 09:00 PM
                                                                                                              Process...Michael S2022/06/03 04:16 AM
                                                                                                                Process...Doug S2022/06/03 07:57 AM
                                                                                                                  Process...James2022/06/04 03:46 AM
                                                                                                                    Process...Doug S2022/06/04 08:04 AM
                                                                                                                      Process...Anon42022/06/04 09:31 AM
                                                                                                                      Process...James2022/06/04 09:49 AM
                                                                                                          Process...Anon2022/06/05 01:55 AM
                                                                                                        There is no 5nm or 7nm anywhere.Heikki Kultala2022/06/02 09:45 AM
                                                                                                          There is no 5nm or 7nm anywhere.Doug S2022/06/02 10:10 AM
                                                                                                            There is no 5nm or 7nm anywhere.Heikki Kultala2022/06/02 10:50 AM
                                                                                                            There is no 5nm or 7nm anywhere.Peter Lewis2022/06/02 11:07 AM
                                                                                                            There is no 5nm or 7nm anywhere.anon22022/06/02 03:30 PM
                                                                                                          There is no 5nm or 7nm anywhere.Anon2022/06/05 12:41 AM
                                                                                                    RISC-VPeter Lewis2022/06/02 12:22 AM
                                                                                                      RISC-VFreddie2022/06/02 06:22 AM
                                                                                                        RISC-V---2022/06/02 12:25 PM
                                                                                                    RISC-VAdrian2022/06/02 12:47 AM
                                                                                                      RISC-VDoug S2022/06/02 10:18 AM
                                                                                                      x86 vs RISCHeikki Kultala2022/06/02 11:04 AM
                                                                                                        x86 vs RISCAnon2022/06/02 01:49 PM
                                                                                                          x86 vs RISCTim Mc2022/06/02 03:20 PM
                                                                                                          x86 vs RISCDoug S2022/06/02 10:01 PM
                                                                                                            x86 vs RISCAnon2022/06/05 12:55 AM
                                                                                                              x86 vs RISCPeter Lewis2022/06/05 03:23 PM
                                                                                                                x86 vs RISCAnon2022/06/05 03:32 PM
                                                                                                                Register Windows.Mark Roulo2022/06/06 08:56 AM
                                                                                                                  Register Windows.blaine2022/06/06 12:51 PM
                                                                                                                    S/W managed TLB missesMark Roulo2022/06/06 01:18 PM
                                                                                                                      S/W managed TLB missesMichael S2022/06/06 01:31 PM
                                                                                                                      S/W managed TLB missesblaine2022/06/06 10:53 PM
                                                                                                                      S/W managed TLB missesvonk2022/06/07 12:04 AM
                                                                                                                      S/W managed TLB missesDoug S2022/06/07 07:50 AM
                                                                                                                        S/W managed TLB missesanon22022/06/07 09:21 PM
                                                                                                                          S/W managed TLB missesJames2022/06/08 01:07 AM
                                                                                                                            S/W managed TLB missesMichael S2022/06/08 01:20 AM
                                                                                                                            S/W managed TLB missesanon22022/06/08 01:53 AM
                                                                                                                          Fairchild Clipper had h/w table walkPaul A. Clayton2022/06/09 11:46 AM
                                                                                                                            Fairchild Clipper had h/w table walkSimon Farnsworth2022/06/10 12:58 AM
                                                                                                                    Register Windows.anon22022/06/06 02:21 PM
                                                                                                        x86 vs RISCEric Fink2022/06/02 09:11 PM
                                                                                                          x86 vs RISCMichael S2022/06/03 05:49 AM
                                                                                                            x86 vs RISCBrett2022/06/03 11:32 AM
                                                                                                            x86 vs RISCAnon2022/06/05 01:23 AM
                                                                                                        x86 vs RISCAdrian2022/06/02 10:47 PM
                                                                                                      RISC-VAnon2022/06/02 01:33 PM
                                                                                                  RISC-V lifespan; encodings2022/06/04 10:39 AM
                                                                                                    µop CachePeter Lewis2022/06/04 05:56 PM
                                                                                                      x86 decode cores2022/06/04 11:32 PM
                                                                                                        x86 decode coresPeter Lewis2022/06/05 12:26 AM
                                                                                                        x86 decode coresPeter Lewis2022/06/06 03:22 AM
                                                                                                      µop CacheDoug S2022/06/05 10:08 AM
                                                                                                    RISC-V lifespan; encodingsEric Fink2022/06/05 03:26 AM
                                                                                                      RISC-V lifespan; encodings2022/06/05 06:37 AM
                                                                                                        RISC-V lifespan; encodingsanonymou52022/06/05 11:32 AM
                                                                                                          RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAnon2022/06/05 02:09 PM
                                                                                                          RISC-V lifespan; encodings2022/06/06 06:52 AM
                                                                                                            RISC-V lifespan; encodingsanonymou52022/06/06 07:07 AM
                                                                                                              RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAdrian2022/06/06 09:59 AM
                                                                                                                RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAnon2022/06/06 11:38 AM
                                                                                                                  RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAdrian2022/06/07 12:21 AM
                                                                                                                    RISC-V lifespan; encodingsMichael S2022/06/07 01:23 AM
                                                                                                                      RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAdrian2022/06/07 04:20 AM
                                                                                                                        RISC-V lifespan; encodingsBrett2022/06/07 05:04 PM
                                                                                                                          RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAnon2022/06/07 08:58 PM
                                                                                                                            RISC-V lifespan; encodings2022/06/08 07:07 AM
                                                                                                                              RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAnon2022/06/08 09:25 AM
                                                                                                                                RISC-V lifespan; encodings2022/06/08 11:07 AM
                                                                                                                RISC-V lifespan; encodingsBrett2022/06/06 12:50 PM
                                                                                                                  RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAdrian2022/06/06 11:59 PM
                                                                                                              RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAdrian2022/06/06 09:59 AM
                                                                                                              RISC-V lifespan; encodings2022/06/06 10:08 AM
                                                                                                    RISC-V lifespan; encodings---2022/06/05 05:12 PM
                                                                                                      RISC-V lifespan; encodingsAnon2022/06/05 05:48 PM
                                                                                                      RISC-V lifespan; encodingsJukka Larja2022/06/05 09:18 PM
                                                                                                        Profile-Guided OptimizationPeter Lewis2022/06/06 02:55 AM
                                                                                                          Profile-Guided Optimizationrwessel2022/06/06 04:26 AM
                                                                                                            Profile-Guided OptimizationDoug S2022/06/06 09:44 AM
                                                                                                              Profile-Guided OptimizationAndrew Clough2022/06/06 10:08 AM
                                                                                                              Profile-Guided Optimizationrwessel2022/06/06 10:57 AM
                                                                                                                Example of JIT cacheMark Roulo2022/06/06 01:10 PM
                                                                                                                  Example of JIT cacherwessel2022/06/06 01:59 PM
                                                                                                                    Example of JIT cacheMark Roulo2022/06/07 05:40 AM
                                                                                                                      Example of JIT cacherwessel2022/06/07 06:46 AM
                                                                                                              Profile-Guided OptimizationSimon Farnsworth2022/06/07 01:47 AM
                                                                                                          Profile-Guided OptimizationJukka Larja2022/06/06 07:42 PM
                                                                                                      Accurate branch prediction is not everythingPaul A. Clayton2022/06/14 10:48 AM
                                                                                                        Accurate branch prediction is not everything---2022/06/14 12:40 PM
                                                                                                          Accurate branch prediction is not everythingJames2022/06/14 02:41 PM
                                                                                                        Accurate branch prediction is not everythingdmcq2022/06/15 08:38 AM
                                                                                                          Accurate branch prediction is not everythingnone2022/06/15 08:57 AM
                                                                                                            Accurate branch prediction is not everythingdmcq2022/06/15 09:23 AM
                                                                                                            Accurate branch prediction is not everythingDoug S2022/06/15 12:55 PM
                                                                                                              Accurate branch prediction is not everythingdmcq2022/06/15 03:38 PM
                                                                                                Adding Neural Engines to x86Peter Lewis2022/06/04 06:06 PM
                                                                                                  Adding Neural Engines to x86Freddie2022/06/05 11:07 AM
                                                                                                    Adding Neural Engines to x86Peter Lewis2022/06/05 03:20 PM
                                                                                                      Adding Neural Engines to x86---2022/06/05 05:40 PM
                                                                                                        Adding Neural Engines to x86Peter Lewis2022/06/05 08:22 PM
                                                                                                  Adding Neural Engines to x86---2022/06/05 05:34 PM
                                                                                                    Missing metricsAnon2022/06/05 05:59 PM
                                                                                                    Adding Neural Engines to x86Peter Lewis2022/06/06 02:41 AM
                                                                                            RISC-VJan Wassenberg2022/05/31 09:00 PM
                                                                                              RISC-VPeter Lewis2022/06/01 03:02 PM
                                                                                                RISC-VJan Wassenberg2022/06/01 09:17 PM
                                                                                              RISC-V Eric Fink2022/06/01 11:25 PM
                                                                                                RISC-VJan Wassenberg2022/06/02 10:10 PM
                                                                                                  RISC-VEric Fink2022/06/02 11:23 PM
                                                                                                    RISC-VJan Wassenberg2022/06/03 10:10 PM
                                                                                                      RISC-VJukka Larja2022/06/03 11:15 PM
                                                                                                        RISC-VJan Wassenberg2022/06/04 10:23 PM
                                                                                                      RISC-VEric Fink2022/06/04 04:59 AM
                                                                                                        RISC-VJan Wassenberg2022/06/04 10:14 PM
                                                                                                    RISC-VLinus Torvalds2022/06/04 09:17 AM
                                                                                                      RISC-V-.-2022/06/04 04:56 PM
                                                                                                        RISC-VLinus Torvalds2022/06/04 07:00 PM
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                                                                                                      RISC-VEric Fink2022/06/05 03:31 AM
                                                                                                        SIMD in parsingWilco2022/06/05 04:40 AM
                                                                                                          SIMD in parsingFoo_2022/06/06 01:19 AM
                                                                                                            SIMD in parsingMichael S2022/06/06 01:43 AM
                                                                                                              SIMD in parsingLinus Torvalds2022/06/06 08:40 AM
                                                                                                          SIMD in parsing-.-2022/06/08 04:28 AM
                                                                                              RISC-V V-extensionHeikki Kultala2022/06/02 09:40 AM
                                                                                                RISC-V V-extensionJan Wassenberg2022/06/02 10:09 PM
                                                                                            RISC-VPer Hesselgren2022/06/01 04:40 AM
                                                                                    Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchBrendan2022/05/23 12:51 AM
                                                                                    Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchBrendan2022/05/23 12:51 AM
                                                                                      Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchBjörn Ragnar Björnsson2022/05/23 04:41 PM
                                                                                        Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/23 09:38 PM
                                                                                          Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJukka Larja2022/05/24 01:48 AM
                                                                                            Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/24 03:35 AM
                                                                                              Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJukka Larja2022/05/24 06:38 AM
                                                                                                Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/28 11:51 PM
                                                                                          Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchMichael S2022/05/24 02:48 AM
                                                                                            SIMD applicabilityJan Wassenberg2022/05/24 03:50 AM
                                                                                              Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityMark Roulo2022/05/24 06:41 AM
                                                                                                Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityJan Wassenberg2022/05/24 10:23 AM
                                                                                                  Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneitySimon Farnsworth2022/05/24 12:56 PM
                                                                                                Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityBrendan2022/05/24 04:09 PM
                                                                                                  Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityDoug S2022/05/24 09:03 PM
                                                                                                    Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityBrendan2022/05/25 04:37 PM
                                                                                                  Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityJukka Larja2022/05/25 05:24 AM
                                                                                                    Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityBrendan2022/05/25 05:16 PM
                                                                                                      Don't mix up SIMD support with AVX2 vs AVX-512 heterogeneityJukka Larja2022/05/25 07:50 PM
                                                                                            Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchAdrian2022/05/24 01:39 PM
                                                                                              Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJörn Engel2022/05/24 08:41 PM
                                                                                              Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/28 11:51 PM
                                                                                                Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchAdrian2022/05/29 03:33 AM
                                                                                                  Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchAdrian2022/05/29 03:48 AM
                                                                                                  Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchJan Wassenberg2022/05/29 10:05 AM
                                                                                                    Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchAdrian2022/05/29 12:39 PM
                                                                                                      turbostat instructionsJan Wassenberg2022/05/29 09:51 PM
                                                                                                  Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchSome dude2022/05/30 11:04 AM
                                                                                          Proposal for heterogeneous runtime dispatchSimon Farnsworth2022/05/24 03:21 AM
                                                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/22 11:41 PM
                                                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlySimon Farnsworth2022/05/23 02:03 AM
                                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/23 08:12 AM
                                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlySimon Farnsworth2022/05/24 03:18 AM
                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyrwessel2022/05/24 07:22 AM
                                                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/23 11:30 AM
                                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/23 12:13 PM
                                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/23 03:54 PM
                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only2022/05/24 10:49 AM
                                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/24 11:11 AM
                                                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only2022/05/24 02:12 PM
                                                                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/24 03:33 PM
                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/24 12:44 PM
                                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlySimon Farnsworth2022/05/24 01:14 PM
                                                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only2022/05/24 02:37 PM
                                                                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJames2022/05/26 02:42 AM
                                                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyBrendan2022/05/24 08:53 PM
                                                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJörn Engel2022/05/24 11:09 PM
                                                                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlySimon Farnsworth2022/05/25 01:27 AM
                                                                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJan Wassenberg2022/05/28 11:49 PM
                                                                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/29 01:15 AM
                                                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/29 09:48 AM
                                                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyanonymou52022/05/29 10:35 AM
                                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyLinus Torvalds2022/05/30 10:07 AM
                                                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyanonymou52022/05/30 11:46 AM
                                                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/29 10:59 AM
                                                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJan Wassenberg2022/05/29 10:20 AM
                                                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/29 12:38 PM
                                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJörn Engel2022/05/29 01:10 PM
                                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only-.-2022/05/29 04:28 PM
                                                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/30 12:32 AM
                                                                                                              Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only-.-2022/05/30 01:44 AM
                                                                                                                Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/30 02:12 AM
                                                                                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only-.-2022/05/30 04:46 AM
                                                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJan Wassenberg2022/05/29 09:48 PM
                                                                                                            quick radix mergeMichael S2022/05/30 12:02 AM
                                                                                                              quick radix mergeJan Wassenberg2022/05/30 06:16 AM
                                                                                                                quick radix mergeMichael S2022/05/30 07:36 AM
                                                                                                                  quick radix mergeJan Wassenberg2022/05/30 09:07 PM
                                                                                                                quick radix mergerwessel2022/05/30 08:36 AM
                                                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyChristian Bornträger2022/05/24 07:06 AM
                                                                                        Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyrwessel2022/05/24 07:40 AM
                                                                          Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only2022/05/22 10:51 AM
                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyDoug S2022/05/22 07:52 PM
                                                                              Linux doesn't have a plan for hetero-ISA CPUs2022/05/23 05:03 AM
                                                                                Linux doesn't have a plan for hetero-ISA CPUsDoug S2022/05/23 07:35 AM
                                                                                  Linux doesn't have a plan for hetero-ISA CPUsBrendan2022/05/23 10:44 AM
                                                                                    Linux doesn't have a plan for hetero-ISA CPUsGionatan Danti2022/05/24 05:29 AM
                                                                            Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlySimon Farnsworth2022/05/23 03:16 AM
                                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyJukka Larja2022/05/21 09:23 PM
                                                          well said (NT)Michael S2022/05/21 10:48 AM
                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/19 04:00 AM
                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Only-.-2022/05/19 05:25 AM
                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyMichael S2022/05/20 05:29 AM
                                                  Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores Onlyanonymou52022/05/19 08:46 AM
                                                    Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyCharlie Burnes2022/05/19 01:19 PM
                                                      Sierra Forest Xeons - E Cores OnlyAdrian2022/05/19 11:29 PM
                                              Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Adrian2022/05/18 10:57 PM
                                                Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Brett2022/05/19 09:55 AM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Michael S2022/05/19 10:53 AM
                                                  Lack of Backward Compatibility for Intel AVX512Adrian2022/05/19 11:38 PM
                              Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Code---2022/05/17 01:57 PM
                                Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeCharlie Burnes2022/05/17 03:12 PM
                                Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Codeanon12022/05/18 01:44 AM
                                  Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeSimon Farnsworth2022/05/18 02:03 AM
                                    Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeDoug S2022/05/18 09:14 AM
                                      Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Codedmcq2022/05/20 04:43 AM
                                        Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeDoug S2022/05/20 09:07 AM
                                          Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Codedmcq2022/05/21 07:35 AM
                                            Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Codedmcq2022/05/21 07:57 AM
                                  Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Code---2022/05/18 08:56 AM
                      Backward Compatibility for SVE2 CodeJan Wassenberg2022/05/17 11:26 AM
                        Backward Compatibility for SVE2 Code---2022/05/17 02:01 PM
                        Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/18 02:55 PM
                          Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityBrett2022/05/18 07:57 PM
                            Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityJan Wassenberg2022/05/18 09:16 PM
                              Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/18 10:03 PM
                                Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityBrett2022/05/18 10:20 PM
                                  Use of Highway to provide backward compatibility---2022/05/19 12:20 PM
                                    Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/19 02:05 PM
                                      Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityBrett2022/05/19 03:18 PM
                                        Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/19 06:29 PM
                                          Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityJan Wassenberg2022/05/19 08:12 PM
                                            Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityBrett2022/05/19 09:38 PM
                                            Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/21 06:48 AM
                                              Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/21 11:36 AM
                                              Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityJan Wassenberg2022/05/21 09:45 PM
                                                Use of Highway to provide backward compatibilityCharlie Burnes2022/05/22 06:52 AM
        Questions About Apple's AVX512dmcq2022/05/13 03:24 PM
      Questions About Apple's AVX512Matt Lohmann2022/05/13 12:32 PM
        Questions About Apple's AVX512---2022/05/13 01:09 PM
        Questions About Apple's AVX512Anon12022/05/13 02:55 PM
          Questions About Apple's AVX512Matt Lomann2022/05/13 06:02 PM
            Questions About Apple's AVX512---2022/05/13 08:03 PM
            Questions About Apple's AVX512Simon Farnsworth2022/05/14 05:11 AM
              Questions About Apple's AVX512---2022/05/14 11:06 AM
        Questions About Apple's AVX512Adrian2022/05/13 11:35 PM
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