New article: Intel 4 Process Scales Logic with Design, Materials, and EUV

Article: Intel 4 Process Scales Logic with Design, Materials, and EUV
By: --- (---.delete@this.redheron.com), June 13, 2022 9:08 pm
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David Kanter (dkanter.delete@this.realworldtech.com) on June 13, 2022 7:26 pm wrote:
> --- (---.delete@this.redheron.com) on June 13, 2022 10:47 am wrote:
> > anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on June 13, 2022 6:21 am wrote:
> > > > There has been much speculation about whether the choice of cobalt had something to do
> > > > with the shortcomings of the 10 nm Intel CMOS process. The fact that Intel 4 has reverted
> > > > to copper, even if with improved linings, seems to confirm that supposition.
> > > >
> > > > The high resistance of the cobalt interconnections is likely to have been one of
> > > > the reasons for the much too low clock frequencies of Cannon Lake and Ice Lake.
> > >
> > > Define "much too low".
> > >
> > > Sure, e.g. 3.2 for CNL wasn't king of the hill... but for a U part? Not too bad.
> > >
> > > The GPU side... was abysmal though...
> > >
> > > Also, if Co was a speed limiter, then Intel should have seen that coming.
> > > Or are you suggesting their engineers are complete idiots? :)
> > >
> > > > The other serious problem of the 10 nm process, the very
> > > > low yields, might have been determined mainly by their
> > > > choices for photolithography, where they have attempted to get very small pitches without using EUV.
> > >
> > > This.
> >
> > Yeah, the cobalt story has always seemed like it omitted something.
> > TSMC use cobalt for 7nm (and presumably 5nm, though I haven't seen
> > direct evidence of that), and did not appear to have problems.
> > https://twitter.com/lasserith/status/1121905450172211200?lang=ar
> >
> > Of course there are always details, and it's possible the precise way Intel insisted on using
> > cobalt (in terms of liners, seeds, temperature processing, etc) got something wrong.
> >
> > So if cobalt works, why the reversion (or sideways move) to "enhanced copper" (which as I've
> > pointed out before appears to be based on a TSMC paper from, I think it was, 2010)?
> > This isn't the paper I had in mind (which I can't find right now) but shows
> > similar sort of work: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/abstract/document/5510762
>
> Just because the paper title contains "copper" and "enhanced" doesn't mean it's at all related.
>
> David

Of course.
But it is an interesting lead, and the two seem very similar. Both seem to be based on the idea of a TaN barrier, a cobalt seed layer, then copper bulk. You really think those features are just random coincidences for what are essentially different ideas?
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