Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafers

By: Adrian (a.delete@this.acm.org), July 5, 2022 3:28 am
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dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on July 4, 2022 10:26 am wrote:
> James (no.delete@this.thanks.invalid) on July 4, 2022 9:52 am wrote:
> > Brett wrote:
> > > Weren’t people wondering why Intel is shipping variants with graphics disabled?
> >
> > dmcq replied:
> > > My understanding is that their process had too many problems and the yield
> > > for complete chips was quite low. Not that they chopped dies in two!
> >
> > Usually, the answer for "why Intel ships variants with anything disabled" is "market segmentation".
> >
> > The PC gaming market has been very sensitive to price/performance
> > for thirty ¹ years, and ready to switch brands
> > to get an advantage: the costs of discrete GPUs over the last few years can only have intensified that.
> >
> > ¹ Before Doom, if you were sensitive to price/performance, you would not be gaming on a PC.
>
> Sorry I see the 'is' rather than was so you're talking about a current chip rather than one a
> year or so ago which suffered from the 10nm problems. So they've got fatal problems with a GPU
> now if it isn't segmentation and they sell versions with the GPU. That must be ... embarassing.



Intel cuts parts of the GPU for market segmentation purposes, to differentiate between themselves i7/i5/i3/Pentium Gold and Pentium Silver/Celeron.


You have of course referred to the Cannon Lake i3-8121U, which had a completely disabled GPU and also 2 CPU cores disabled out of 4.

To their shame, Intel had to name it as an i3, even if it was the best that they could make, because in the number of cores and in the maximum frequency it barely matched the i3 Coffee Lake U models, which were launched at the same time with Cannon Lake U.

The completely disabled GPU forced Intel to always pair Cannon Lake with an AMD Radeon GPU, which must have been a difficult decision for their pride.


So, obviously, as you have said, the disabling of the GPUs (and of CPU cores) in the first variant of the Intel 10 nm process, was only due to unusually bad yields and it had nothing to do with the market segmentation practiced by Intel in their mature products, where indeed there may be more GPU sections disabled just to sell Celerons or i5 CPUs, instead of being disabled due to defects.




























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                        Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersMath Nerd2022/07/02 04:15 PM
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                          Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersDoug S2022/07/02 06:44 PM
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                            Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersAdrian2022/07/03 10:25 PM
                              Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersanon22022/07/03 11:33 PM
                                Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersBrett2022/07/04 12:45 AM
                                  Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersdmcq2022/07/04 06:09 AM
                                    Die shape that minimizes wasted area on circular wafersJames2022/07/04 09:52 AM
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