By: ⚛ (0xe2.0x9a.0x9b.delete@this.gmail.com), July 1, 2022 10:41 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on July 1, 2022 5:40 am wrote:
> dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on July 1, 2022 4:16 am wrote:
> > anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on June 30, 2022 6:19 pm wrote:
> > > Anon4 (no.delete@this.example.com) on June 30, 2022 4:37 pm wrote:
> > > > anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on June 30, 2022 7:28 am wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Morello exists because Arm would be foolish not to pick up the UK research £££.
> > > >
> > > > Morello is part of a UK government project called Digital Security by Design and is partially
> > > > funded by a pot of money called the Industrial Strategy Challenge Fund administered by UKRI.
> > > >
> > > > The way that fund operates means ARM must have made a matching investment of a similar size to what
> > > > they got from the fund from their own money. Thus no it's not just free research £££ to pickup.
> > >
> > > I didn't say it was free. See above for what I said (wrote). I stand by it. :)
> >
> > If ARM did not 'pick up the UK research £££' it would be richer and it is poorer because
> > it did pick it up. So exactly where do you get 'Arm would be foolish not to pick up the
> > UK research £££' from. If it got 115% of the cost it would make a profit.
>
> Are you suggesting that Arm shouldn't have matched the UK funding and a) done Morello
> on its own dime^W 10p instead, or b) not done Morello at all?
Interpretation 1:
Interpretation 2:
In summary: For anybody with a direct access to the project's accounting data/projections, it would be an easy task to determine/compute whether £££ from the research funding was a necessary precondition for the project to be profitable or whether the project would be profitable even without the research funding. Without seeing the accounting data, it is impossible to tell which one of the two options is true.
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> dmcq (dmcq.delete@this.fano.co.uk) on July 1, 2022 4:16 am wrote:
> > anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on June 30, 2022 6:19 pm wrote:
> > > Anon4 (no.delete@this.example.com) on June 30, 2022 4:37 pm wrote:
> > > > anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on June 30, 2022 7:28 am wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Morello exists because Arm would be foolish not to pick up the UK research £££.
> > > >
> > > > Morello is part of a UK government project called Digital Security by Design and is partially
> > > > funded by a pot of money called the Industrial Strategy Challenge Fund administered by UKRI.
> > > >
> > > > The way that fund operates means ARM must have made a matching investment of a similar size to what
> > > > they got from the fund from their own money. Thus no it's not just free research £££ to pickup.
> > >
> > > I didn't say it was free. See above for what I said (wrote). I stand by it. :)
> >
> > If ARM did not 'pick up the UK research £££' it would be richer and it is poorer because
> > it did pick it up. So exactly where do you get 'Arm would be foolish not to pick up the
> > UK research £££' from. If it got 115% of the cost it would make a profit.
>
> Are you suggesting that Arm shouldn't have matched the UK funding and a) done Morello
> on its own dime^W 10p instead, or b) not done Morello at all?
Interpretation 1:
IF arm_picks_up_UK_research_£££(project) THEN
project.will_be_profitable = true
ELSE
project.will_be_profitable = false
Interpretation 2:
arm_investment := 0.5 * project.expenditures
research_funding := 0.5 * project.expenditures
taxes_paid_by_arm := tax_rate * project.expected_revenue
is_profitable := (project.expected_revenue - arm_investment - taxes_paid_by_arm + research_funding) > 0
In summary: For anybody with a direct access to the project's accounting data/projections, it would be an easy task to determine/compute whether £££ from the research funding was a necessary precondition for the project to be profitable or whether the project would be profitable even without the research funding. Without seeing the accounting data, it is impossible to tell which one of the two options is true.
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