China’s SMIC Is Shipping 7nm

By: Somata (a.delete.delete@this.protonmail.com), July 21, 2022 1:52 pm
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https://www.techinsights.com/blog/disruptive-technology-7nm-smic-minerva-bitcoin-miner

Despite the embargo for the export of EUV lithography machines from ASML to chinese semiconductor fabs, SMIC seems to have fabricated 7nm chips using DUV machines. For reference, the TSMC N7 (Apple A12 and Qualcomm 855, perhaps AMD Zen 2) and N7P (Apple A13 and perhaps AMD Zen 3), and Intel 7 (aka 10nm SuperFin, EUV supposedly will be introduced in Intel 4) are also DUV only processes. SMIC has been aggressively hiring from TSMC, most notably SMIC CEO Liang Mengsong (Former senior director of R&D at TSMC, Samsung LSI Technical director).

It is unclear if SMIC can pursue further node shrinks without access to EUV machines. In addition, future restrictions on DUV lithography machines may yet happen as the US lobbies ASML.
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China’s SMIC Is Shipping 7nmSomata2022/07/21 01:52 PM
  Nothing 7nm in that process. It's just marketing name (NT)Heikki Kultala2022/07/21 02:03 PM
    yup... remember Intel 10 nm... sans EUV :-)anonymou52022/07/21 04:06 PM
      yup... remember Intel 10 nm... sans EUV :-)Somata2022/07/21 04:11 PM
      There is nothing 10nm in that eitherm That is also just a name. (NT)Heikki Kultala2022/07/21 08:21 PM
        so... "final non-EUV node" and "reached at what point in time" then? :-) (NT)anonymou52022/07/21 11:02 PM
    Nothing 7nm in that process. It's just marketing nameAdrian2022/07/22 12:06 AM
  How hard is for China to build EUV tools? (NT)Anon2022/07/22 01:41 AM
    How hard is for China to build EUV tools?dmcq2022/07/22 05:01 AM
      How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Adrian2022/07/22 06:16 AM
        Will take 10 years at leastSomata2022/07/22 06:51 AM
          Or they will just steal the IP [nt]me2022/07/22 09:15 AM
          Will take 10 years at leastDoug S2022/07/22 09:57 AM
            Will take 10 years at leastaaron spink2022/07/24 02:14 PM
              Will take 10 years at leastDoug S2022/07/24 04:45 PM
                Will take 10 years at leastCase of The Mondays2022/07/25 11:41 AM
                  Will take 10 years at leastBrett2022/07/25 12:45 PM
                    Will take 10 years at leastCase of The Mondays2022/07/25 01:52 PM
                      Will take 10 years at leastdmcq2022/07/26 05:15 AM
                        Russian/Chinese aircraft enginesMark Roulo2022/07/26 06:14 AM
                        May things cvhange now?Anon2022/07/26 06:30 AM
                          May things cvhange now?Mark Roulo2022/07/26 06:46 AM
                            May things cvhange now?Brett2022/07/26 02:36 PM
                              May things cvhange now?Ping-Chen Chen2022/07/26 09:19 PM
    How hard is for China to build EUV tools?David Hess2022/07/22 02:36 PM
      How hard is for China to build EUV tools?dmcq2022/07/22 03:48 PM
        How hard is for China to build EUV tools?---2022/07/22 09:15 PM
          How hard is for China to build EUV tools?David Kanter2022/07/23 06:28 PM
            Is X-ray lithography a thing?Somata2022/07/23 06:32 PM
              Is X-ray lithography a thing?---2022/07/24 12:16 PM
            How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Doug S2022/07/23 09:00 PM
              How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Anon2022/07/23 10:25 PM
                How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Adrian2022/07/23 11:21 PM
                  How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Michael S2022/07/24 07:30 AM
                    How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Adrian2022/07/24 09:01 AM
                How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Adrian2022/07/23 11:21 PM
              How hard is for China to build EUV tools?---2022/07/24 12:20 PM
                How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Doug S2022/07/24 04:49 PM
            How hard is for China to build EUV tools?Adrian2022/07/23 09:51 PM
              How hard is for China to build EUV tools?---2022/07/24 12:26 PM
            Theoretical uses for e-beamPaul A. Clayton2022/07/24 06:31 AM
              Theoretical uses for e-beamAdrian2022/07/24 06:59 AM
                Theoretical uses for e-beamAnon2022/07/24 08:48 AM
                  Theoretical uses for e-beamhobold2022/07/24 09:03 AM
                    Theoretical uses for e-beamAnon2022/07/24 09:18 AM
                      Theoretical uses for e-beamAdrian2022/07/24 09:40 AM
                        Theoretical uses for e-beamdmcq2022/07/24 03:33 PM
                        Theoretical uses for e-beamAndrew Clough2022/07/25 10:34 AM
                          Theoretical uses for e-beamAdrian2022/07/26 01:10 AM
                            Theoretical uses for e-beamAnon2022/07/26 01:33 AM
                              Theoretical uses for e-beamDoug S2022/07/26 08:48 AM
                                Theoretical uses for e-beamAnon2022/07/26 09:41 AM
                                  Theoretical uses for e-beamBrett2022/07/26 02:27 PM
                                    Theoretical uses for e-beamDoug S2022/07/26 04:43 PM
                                    “In two or three decades there will be a million people on the Moon”Nole2022/07/26 05:39 PM
                                      Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Brett2022/07/26 06:08 PM
                                        Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.anonymou52022/07/26 06:38 PM
                                        Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Doug S2022/07/26 09:31 PM
                                        Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Nole2022/07/26 10:59 PM
                                          Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.anonymou52022/07/27 01:57 AM
                                          Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Brett2022/07/27 01:57 AM
                                            Skyhooks are just scifiHeikki Kultala2022/07/27 12:33 PM
                                              Skyhooks are just scifiAndrew Clough2022/07/28 05:37 AM
                                                Skyhooks are just scifiAnon2022/07/28 06:07 AM
                                                Skyhooks are just scifiBrett2022/07/28 09:48 AM
                                              Skyhooks are just scifidmcq2022/07/28 06:31 AM
                                                Skyhooks are just scifiHeikki Kultala2022/07/28 10:52 AM
                                                  Skyhooks are just scifidmcq2022/07/28 04:08 PM
                                                    Skyhooks are just scifidmcq2022/07/28 04:21 PM
                                          Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Different2022/07/27 02:26 AM
                                        Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Anon2022/07/27 07:27 AM
                                        Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.---2022/07/27 09:54 AM
                                          Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Adrian2022/07/27 08:09 PM
                                            Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Anon2022/07/28 05:58 AM
                                              Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Adrian2022/07/28 06:42 AM
                                                Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Brett2022/07/28 10:37 AM
                                              Skyhooks will bring millions of people to orbit.Realist2022/07/28 05:02 PM
                                            A Mars colony is stupidDoug S2022/07/28 10:02 AM
                                              A Mars colony is stupidSimon Farnsworth2022/07/28 10:19 AM
                                                A Mars colony is stupid---2022/07/29 08:38 AM
                                              Mars has many advantages compared to LunaHeikki Kultala2022/07/28 11:44 AM
                                                Mars has many advantages compared to LunaAnon2022/07/28 10:06 PM
                                                Mars has many advantages compared to LunaDoug S2022/07/29 10:11 AM
                                                  Mars has many advantages compared to Lunarwessel2022/07/29 11:52 AM
                                                  Mars has many advantages compared to LunaHeikki Kultala2022/07/29 02:13 PM
                                                    Mars has many advantages compared to LunaAnon2022/07/29 02:56 PM
                                                    Mars has many advantages compared to LunaDoug S2022/07/29 04:01 PM
                                                      How do you plan to arrange the solar cells when sun is at horizon?Heikki Kultala2022/07/29 09:02 PM
                                                        How do you plan to arrange the solar cells when sun is at horizon?Anon2022/07/30 04:59 AM
                                      “In two or three decades there will be a million people on the Moon”Adrian2022/07/27 05:39 AM
                                        “In two or three decades there will be a million people on the Moon”dmcq2022/07/28 06:45 AM
                                        “In two or three decades there will be a million people on the Moon”dmcq2022/07/28 11:37 AM
                Thanks. (Did not expect it to be practical) (NT)Paul A. Clayton2022/07/24 03:12 PM
        How hard is for China to build EUV tools?David Hess2022/07/23 08:17 PM
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