ISA simplicity, evolution and survival

By: Björn Ragnar Björnsson (bjorn.ragnar.delete@this.gmail.com), August 9, 2022 1:36 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Mark Roulo (nothanks.delete@this.xxx.com) on August 9, 2022 8:41 am wrote:
> Björn Ragnar Björnsson (bjorn.ragnar.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 8, 2022 6:31 pm wrote:
> > When the 21264 came out some of the worst problems had been fixed, but it was too little too late to save
> > the patient. I like to think of the Alpha's failure as being to due to "political correctness".
>
> I don't think "political correctness" is quite right.

You're right of course. Alpha was as much or probably more a business
failure (management, product placement, marketing, the list goes on and
on I think) as a failed computer architecture. However, from the pure
computer architecture viewpoint it smells like political correctness to me.

From the wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Alpha:

"Digital intended the architecture to support a one-thousandfold increase in performance over twenty-five years. To ensure this, any architectural feature that impeded multiple instruction issue, clock rate or multiprocessing was removed."

Sounds good, sounds smart, but clearly some grounding and connection to
the real world was missing. The unaligned load fiasco, the missing integer
division, the total mess of the memory model. If in the interest of going
really, really fast you make certain, actually common, applications really,
really slow or untenable, well then you have failed.

>
> It is relatively easy to add to an architecture but much harder to remove features/functionality.

>
> So Alpha could fix the lack of byte instructions by adding them to later versions of the architecture.
> MIPS found it much more difficult to remove the branch delay slot (simplest would be to add
> a whole new branch instruction, which is horrible ... I don't know if MIPS did this). 680x0
> couldn't really "fix" the plethora of addressing modes and difficulty in decoding instructions
> in parallel (because it was tough to *find* the next instruction).
>
> Being "too simple" is fixable over time as you can add the complexity that is clearly needed.
>
> The catch is that you need to stay alive long enough and Alpha couldn't get the necessary volume to stay
> alive. I'm not convinced that even a better gen-1 implementation would have mattered. x86 was fast enough
> and the huge x86 installed base would be difficult to beat as long as the x86 was fast enough.
>
> Shipping earlier would have helped, but maybe not enough.
>
> Getting designed in to the Macintosh (instead of PowerPC getting the design win) would have
> helped, too, but looking at how Power eventually got designed OUT of the Mac because of a
> lack of laptop/mobile roadmap I'm not convinced that Alpha would have faired any better.
>
> If the incumbent is ubiquitous, cheap, compatible with "everything"
> and "fast enough" I just don't see how one wins.

Agreed!

The stories of the failed architectures that I have read are all fascinating
and quite sad at times, it's quite a list!
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Code density comparisonsRayla2022/07/27 12:44 PM
  thank you (NT)Michael S2022/07/27 01:01 PM
  Two more data pointsRayla2022/07/27 01:24 PM
    And the currently most used ISAs are...Anon2022/07/28 05:47 AM
  Binary size != code densityWilco2022/07/28 02:45 AM
    Binary size != code densityMichael S2022/07/28 03:29 AM
      Immediates and placement of constantsPaul A. Clayton2022/07/29 07:17 AM
        Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/07/30 07:11 AM
          Immediates and placement of constantsPaul A. Clayton2022/07/31 01:03 PM
            Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/07/31 02:17 PM
            Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/02 06:00 PM
              Immediates and placement of constantsDoug S2022/08/02 08:09 PM
                Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/02 09:41 PM
                  Immediates and placement of constantsgallier22022/08/02 10:34 PM
                    Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/02 11:34 PM
                      Immediates and placement of constantsLinus Torvalds2022/08/03 09:33 AM
                        Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/03 03:55 PM
                          Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/03 04:18 PM
                            Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/03 04:49 PM
                              Immediates and placement of constantsSimon Farnsworth2022/08/04 01:19 AM
                                Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/04 02:41 AM
                                Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/04 02:54 AM
                                  Immediates and placement of constantsSimon Farnsworth2022/08/04 03:04 AM
                                    Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/04 03:44 AM
                                      Immediates and placement of constantsMichael S2022/08/04 05:22 AM
                                      Immediates and placement of constantsLinus Torvalds2022/08/04 10:30 AM
                                        Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/05 04:13 AM
                                          Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/05 04:31 AM
                                            Immediates and placement of constantsnone2022/08/05 05:43 AM
                                              Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/05 07:07 AM
                                                Immediates and placement of constantsBrett2022/08/05 10:10 AM
                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/05 10:52 AM
                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/05 01:06 PM
                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/06 02:36 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/06 02:47 AM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/06 08:08 AM
                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/05 12:47 PM
                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsLinus Torvalds2022/08/06 11:54 AM
                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/07 03:08 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsLinus Torvalds2022/08/07 09:50 AM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/08 09:23 AM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsLinus Torvalds2022/08/08 09:55 AM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsBjörn Ragnar Björnsson2022/08/08 05:31 PM
                                                                ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalMark Roulo2022/08/09 07:41 AM
                                                                  ISA simplicity, evolution and survivaldmcq2022/08/09 07:55 AM
                                                                  ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalAnon2022/08/09 08:11 AM
                                                                  ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalMichael S2022/08/09 08:24 AM
                                                                    ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalhobold2022/08/09 11:35 AM
                                                                    68K, derivative and subsetMark Roulo2022/08/09 11:56 AM
                                                                      68K, derivative and subsetAdrian2022/08/09 08:07 PM
                                                                      68K, derivative and subsetBrett2022/08/10 10:36 PM
                                                                        68K, derivative and subsetMegol2022/08/11 08:25 AM
                                                                          68K, derivative and subsetAnon2022/08/11 10:43 AM
                                                                            68K, derivative and subsetBrett2022/08/11 02:26 PM
                                                                              68K, derivative and subsetAnon2022/08/11 04:45 PM
                                                                                68080 instruction format (maybe)?Mark Roulo2022/08/11 06:09 PM
                                                                                68K, derivative and subsetBrett2022/08/12 01:12 AM
                                                                              68K, derivative and subsetMegol2022/08/12 02:04 AM
                                                                                68K, derivative and subsetnone2022/08/12 02:53 AM
                                                                                  Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantHeikki Kultala2022/08/12 11:10 PM
                                                                                    Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantMaxwell2022/08/13 06:13 PM
                                                                                      Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAnon2022/08/14 01:50 AM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantMichael S2022/08/14 04:06 AM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantJörn Engel2022/08/14 03:32 PM
                                                                                    Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAdrian2022/08/13 10:39 PM
                                                                                      Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantMichael S2022/08/14 02:02 AM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAdrian2022/08/15 12:15 AM
                                                                                      Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAnon2022/08/14 02:28 AM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantMichael S2022/08/14 04:00 AM
                                                                                      Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantLinus Torvalds2022/08/14 08:20 AM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantMichael S2022/08/14 08:47 AM
                                                                                        3 operand vs 2 operandhobold2022/08/14 11:39 AM
                                                                                          3 operand vs 2 operandAnon2022/08/14 11:59 AM
                                                                                          3 operand vs 2 operandrwessel2022/08/14 01:14 PM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAnon2022/08/14 11:55 AM
                                                                                      Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantPaul A. Clayton2022/08/14 08:34 AM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAdrian2022/08/14 11:43 PM
                                                                                        Non-orthogonal register usage is practical. Uglyness is irrelevantAdrian2022/08/14 11:54 PM
                                                                                    Any studies?Doug S2022/08/14 10:36 AM
                                                                                      Any studies?Anon42022/08/14 11:13 AM
                                                                                      Any studies?Brett2022/08/14 03:30 PM
                                                                                        Trolling rather than crazy.Mark Roulo2022/08/14 03:38 PM
                                                                                          Trolling rather than crazy.Brett2022/08/14 04:11 PM
                                                                                            x86 and market liberalization2022/08/15 04:28 AM
                                                                                              x86 and market liberalizationme2022/08/15 10:39 AM
                                                                                                x86 and market liberalization2022/08/17 11:50 AM
                                                                                                  stupid definition of desktop computerHeikki Kultala2022/08/17 12:46 PM
                                                                                                    x86 and market liberalization2022/08/18 04:38 AM
                                                                                                    stupid definition of desktop computerDavid Hess2022/08/18 09:52 AM
                                                                                                  x86 and market liberalizationme2022/08/18 08:56 AM
                                                                                                    x86 and market liberalizationDoug S2022/08/18 09:36 AM
                                                                                                      x86 and market liberalizationRayla2022/08/18 01:17 PM
                                                                                                        x86 and market liberalizationrwessel2022/08/18 01:23 PM
                                                                                                          x86 and market liberalizationAnon42022/08/18 02:29 PM
                                                                                                  Other than a GPU, what PCIe cards do you want ?Mark Roulo2022/08/18 12:04 PM
                                                                                                    Other than a GPU, what PCIe cards do you want ?Kevin G2022/08/18 02:28 PM
                                                                                                    NIC/IB, storage (bifurcated pcie or sas), video capture (NT)anonymous22022/08/18 02:35 PM
                                                                                                      NIC/IB, storage (bifurcated pcie or sas), video captureHeikki Kultala2022/08/19 05:36 AM
                                                                                                        NIC/IB, storage (bifurcated pcie or sas), video captureAdrian2022/08/19 07:16 AM
                                                                                                          So you have not seen mac studio. Please re-read the message yo replied to (NT)Heikki Kultala2022/08/19 07:59 AM
                                                                                                            So you have not seen mac studio. Please re-read the message yo replied toHeikki Kultala2022/08/19 08:01 AM
                                                                                                              So you have not seen mac studio. Please re-read the message yo replied toAdrian2022/08/19 08:43 AM
                                                                                                                So you have not seen mac studio. Please re-read the message yo replied toDoug S2022/08/19 10:21 AM
                                                                                                    Q: Other than a GPU, what PCIe cards do you want? -- A: CPU cards2022/08/19 09:29 AM
                                                                                                      On PCs you are about at year 2000 thenHeikki Kultala2022/08/19 10:41 PM
                                                                                                        On PCs you are about at year 2000 thenAdrian2022/08/20 03:15 AM
                                                                                                          On PCs you are about at year 2000 thenDoug S2022/08/20 10:16 AM
                                                                                                    Other than a GPU, what PCIe cards do you want ?David Hess2022/08/20 06:12 AM
                                                                                                      Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are. (NT)Michael S2022/08/21 01:27 AM
                                                                                                        Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are.Adrian2022/08/21 03:45 AM
                                                                                                          Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are.David Hess2022/08/24 12:55 PM
                                                                                                            Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are.Peter E. Fry2022/08/25 06:18 AM
                                                                                                          Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are.Jukka Larja2022/08/26 07:39 AM
                                                                                                            Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are.Adrian2022/08/26 09:33 PM
                                                                                                        Hopefully, you realize how atypical you are.David Hess2022/08/24 12:48 PM
                                                                                                    Other than a GPU, what PCIe cards do you want ?Groo2022/08/20 08:39 AM
                                                                                        SIMD can already be used for scalar calculations - but not worth itHeikki Kultala2022/08/15 07:41 AM
                                                                                          SIMD can already be used for scalar calculations - but not worth itBrett2022/08/15 12:14 PM
                                                                                            Makes no sense at allHeikki Kultala2022/08/15 12:48 PM
                                                                                              Makes no sense at allEric Fink2022/08/15 08:41 PM
                                                                                                separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathHeikki Kultala2022/08/15 09:23 PM
                                                                                                  separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathMarcus2022/08/15 11:36 PM
                                                                                                    separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathEric Fink2022/08/16 12:44 AM
                                                                                                    vector fp internal representationshobold2022/08/16 12:50 AM
                                                                                                      vector fp internal representationsMarcus2022/08/16 01:52 AM
                                                                                                      vector fp internal representationsMichael S2022/08/16 03:47 AM
                                                                                                        vector fp internal representationsAnon2022/08/16 03:50 AM
                                                                                                        vector fp internal representationshobold2022/08/16 11:07 AM
                                                                                                          vector fp internal representationsMichael S2022/08/17 03:25 AM
                                                                                                            vector fp internal representationshobold2022/08/17 05:00 AM
                                                                                                    separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathrwessel2022/08/16 06:12 AM
                                                                                                      separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathMarcus2022/08/16 06:52 AM
                                                                                                        separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathAnon2022/08/16 08:01 AM
                                                                                                          separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathMarcus2022/08/16 10:07 AM
                                                                                                separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathHeikki Kultala2022/08/15 09:23 PM
                                                                                                  separate scalar fp vs using vector datapath as fp datapathMichael S2022/08/16 04:07 AM
                                                                                              Makes no sense at allBrett2022/08/15 11:36 PM
                                                                                                Makes no sense at allMichael S2022/08/16 08:31 AM
                                                                                        Any studies?Marcus2022/08/15 09:39 AM
                                                                                  68K, derivative and subsetMegol2022/08/13 12:05 PM
                                                                                    68K, derivative and subsetBrett2022/08/13 05:44 PM
                                                                                      68K, derivative and subsetMegol2022/08/18 05:14 AM
                                                                                68K, derivative and subsetBrett2022/08/12 03:32 AM
                                                                                68K, derivative and subsetMarcus2022/08/13 07:14 AM
                                                                                  68K, derivative and subsetMegol2022/08/13 12:22 PM
                                                                                    68K, derivative and subsetrwessel2022/08/13 01:53 PM
                                                                  ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalrwessel2022/08/09 08:32 AM
                                                                    Modal consistency model?Paul A. Clayton2022/08/09 11:10 AM
                                                                      Modal consistency model?rwessel2022/08/09 11:43 AM
                                                                    ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalMichael S2022/08/10 05:11 AM
                                                                  ISA simplicity, evolution and survival---2022/08/09 09:24 AM
                                                                    ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalSimon Farnsworth2022/08/10 12:16 AM
                                                                      ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalAnon2022/08/11 03:27 AM
                                                                        ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalSimon Farnsworth2022/08/11 04:26 AM
                                                                          ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalAnon2022/08/11 10:53 AM
                                                                            ISA simplicity, evolution and survival---2022/08/11 04:43 PM
                                                                              ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalAnon2022/08/11 05:20 PM
                                                                                ISA simplicity, evolution and survival---2022/08/11 07:07 PM
                                                                              ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalanon22022/08/11 06:25 PM
                                                                        ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalAdrian2022/08/11 10:10 PM
                                                                          ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalAnon2022/08/11 10:40 PM
                                                                          ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalanon22022/08/11 11:11 PM
                                                                  ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalBjörn Ragnar Björnsson2022/08/09 01:36 PM
                                                                    ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalDoug S2022/08/09 08:19 PM
                                                                      ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalMichael S2022/08/10 05:54 AM
                                                                        ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalDoug S2022/08/10 08:09 AM
                                                                          ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalMark Roulo2022/08/10 08:34 AM
                                                                            ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalMichael S2022/08/10 09:52 AM
                                                                            ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalrwessel2022/08/10 10:48 AM
                                                                              ISA simplicity, evolution and survivaldmcq2022/08/11 02:37 AM
                                                                                ISA simplicity, evolution and survivalrwessel2022/08/11 05:40 AM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/08 09:23 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsDoug S2022/08/07 04:39 PM
                                                Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/05 01:00 PM
                                                Immediates and placement of constants---2022/08/05 01:57 PM
                                          Immediates and placement of constantsDoug S2022/08/05 10:18 AM
                                            Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/05 11:09 AM
                                              Mill split-stream decoding motivationPaul A. Clayton2022/08/08 05:24 AM
                                              Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/13 07:54 AM
                                                Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/13 10:12 AM
                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsFreddie2022/08/13 11:48 AM
                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/13 11:54 AM
                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsnoko2022/08/13 09:28 PM
                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/15 03:31 AM
                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/15 04:21 AM
                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/15 05:47 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/15 01:53 PM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/15 02:11 PM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/15 03:07 PM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/15 03:32 PM
                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/15 04:47 PM
                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/15 06:24 PM
                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsBrett2022/08/15 10:43 PM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsDoug S2022/08/15 08:52 PM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/16 03:53 AM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/16 04:44 AM
                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/16 05:12 AM
                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsMichael S2022/08/17 03:39 AM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/16 05:23 AM
                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/16 06:16 AM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/16 02:21 AM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constants (also matters for 32-bit imm)Marcus2022/08/16 02:27 AM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsSimon Farnsworth2022/08/16 02:55 AM
                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsEtienne2022/08/15 06:21 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsdmcq2022/08/15 07:05 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/15 01:00 PM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsnoko2022/08/15 02:37 PM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/15 04:09 PM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/15 04:13 PM
                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/15 08:01 PM
                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/16 03:31 AM
                                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/16 06:46 PM
                                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/16 06:57 PM
                                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/16 09:08 PM
                                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsnone2022/08/17 01:18 AM
                                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/17 01:44 AM
                                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsEtienne2022/08/17 03:05 AM
                                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/17 03:43 AM
                                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsMichael S2022/08/17 04:11 AM
                                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/17 05:00 AM
                                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsnone2022/08/17 05:23 AM
                                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/17 06:48 AM
                                                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/17 03:20 PM
                                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsDoug S2022/08/17 08:59 AM
                                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsnone2022/08/17 05:21 AM
                                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsiz2022/08/20 12:07 AM
                                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/17 01:15 PM
                                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/17 04:44 PM
                                                                              You must be trollingAnon2022/08/17 05:30 PM
                                                                                You must be trollinganon22022/08/17 06:26 PM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsnoko2022/08/15 06:00 PM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/15 09:09 PM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsEtienne2022/08/16 02:35 AM
                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/15 08:07 AM
                                                        Immediates and placement of constantsMarcys2022/08/15 08:50 AM
                                                          Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/16 04:21 AM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/16 04:45 AM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/16 06:26 AM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/16 05:26 AM
                                                            Immediates and placement of constantsSimon Farnsworth2022/08/16 07:23 AM
                                                              Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/16 08:26 AM
                                                                Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/16 08:56 AM
                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsWilco Dijkstra2022/08/16 09:15 AM
                                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/16 06:24 PM
                                                                  Immediates and placement of constantsMarcus2022/08/16 09:25 AM
                                                                    Encoding instructions in 128-bit bundlesMarcus2022/08/16 09:55 AM
                                                                    Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/16 06:20 PM
                                                                      Immediates - cutting code sizedmcq2022/08/17 01:33 AM
                                                                        Immediates - cutting code sizeMarcus2022/08/17 01:58 AM
                                                                          Immediates - cutting code sizeMarcus2022/08/17 02:18 AM
                                                                        It's horrible. As is any hidden state. (NT)Michael S2022/08/17 03:30 AM
                                                                          I tend to agree (don't even have a CC reg) - just trying ideas (NT)Marcus2022/08/17 04:05 AM
                                                                          It's horrible. As is any hidden state.dmcq2022/08/17 05:56 AM
                                                            Variable length instructionsDoug S2022/08/16 08:49 AM
                                                              Variable length instructionsMark Roulo2022/08/16 03:05 PM
                                                                Variable length is last warBrett2022/08/16 05:07 PM
                                                                  Variable length is last warMarcus2022/08/16 10:07 PM
                                                                    Variable length is last warBrett2022/08/17 12:03 AM
                                                                      Variable length is last warBrett2022/08/17 12:13 PM
                                                                        Variable length is last warBrett2022/08/17 02:02 PM
                                                                Variable length instructionsAndrew Clough2022/08/17 04:25 AM
                                                                  Variable length instructionsMark Roulo2022/08/17 07:12 AM
                                                                    Variable length instructionsTim Mc2022/08/17 01:57 PM
                                                                  Variable length instructionsAdrian2022/08/17 09:33 PM
                                                                    Variable length instructionsAdrian2022/08/17 09:38 PM
                                                                    Variable length instructionsDoug S2022/08/18 09:37 AM
                                                                Variable length instructionszArchJon2022/08/19 09:52 AM
                                                                  Variable length instructionsBrett2022/08/19 10:41 AM
                                                                    Variable length instructionsrwessel2022/08/19 01:23 PM
                                                                      Variable length instructionsBrett2022/08/19 03:54 PM
                                                                        Variable length instructionsrwessel2022/08/19 06:39 PM
                                                                      Variable length instructionszArchJon2022/08/20 05:35 AM
                                                      Immediates and placement of constantsMatt Sayler2022/08/15 04:26 PM
                                      Immediates and placement of constantsanonymou52022/08/04 07:36 PM
                                  Immediates and placement of constantsrwessel2022/08/04 06:22 AM
                                    Immediates and placement of constantsWilco2022/08/05 02:30 AM
                                      Immediates and placement of constantsnksingh2022/08/05 12:05 PM
                      Immediates and placement of constantsDoug S2022/08/03 10:44 AM
                        Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/03 04:07 PM
                          Immediates and placement of constants---2022/08/04 06:33 PM
                            Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/04 06:51 PM
                              Immediates and placement of constants---2022/08/05 01:44 PM
                                Immediates and placement of constantsanon22022/08/05 04:22 PM
                    Immediates and placement of constantsKonrad Schwarz2022/08/03 05:05 AM
                    Immediates and placement of constantsKonrad Schwarz2022/08/03 05:05 AM
                      Immediates and placement of constantsEtienne2022/08/04 03:22 AM
              Immediates and placement of constantsAnon2022/08/02 08:26 PM
    SorryRayla2022/07/28 04:56 AM
      Don't apologizeMark Roulo2022/07/28 11:34 AM
        Don't apologizeRayla2022/07/28 12:32 PM
          Make sure banries are stripped and check if O2/3 is smaller? (NT)iz2022/07/28 01:36 PM
            All binaries were stripped (NT)Rayla2022/07/28 02:51 PM
          Don't apologizeanon22022/07/28 02:53 PM
            Don't apologizeRayla2022/07/28 03:09 PM
              Don't apologizeAnon2022/07/28 03:26 PM
          Don't apologizeWilco2022/07/29 01:22 AM
        Don't apologizeBjörn Ragnar Björnsson2022/07/28 07:29 PM
        Don't apologizeLinus Torvalds2022/07/29 09:09 AM
          Don't apologizeRayla2022/07/29 01:09 PM
            Don't apologizeKonrad Schwarz2022/08/02 09:00 AM
              Don't apologizeWilco2022/08/02 06:08 PM
                Please read the earlier replies. rodata is relevant (NT)Heikki Kultala2022/08/02 06:13 PM
              The effect of statically linked libsMarcus2022/08/09 12:25 PM
                The effect of statically linked libsdmcq2022/08/09 02:31 PM
                  The effect of statically linked libsdmcq2022/08/11 09:52 AM
                    The effect of statically linked libsEtienne2022/08/12 12:46 AM
                      The effect of statically linked libsdmcq2022/08/14 04:19 AM
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