By: Michael S (already5chosen.delete@this.yahoo.com), July 29, 2022 4:02 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Doug S (foo.delete@this.bar.bar) on July 28, 2022 9:00 pm wrote:
>
> The only real advantage it had was as "byte addressable flash" when used in a DIMM form factor,
> but that's really of limited utility. Most people have no desire for their RAM to be unchanged
> when they reboot their system, they just want RAM that's protected against power loss.
>
> It seems odd to me there isn't (as far as I know?) a market for DIMMs with an integrated battery
> that can perform refreshes to cover power loss. You only need it for as long as is required to
> regain power and reboot the systems. There isn't any need for DIMMs that will maintain their state
> for months without power like Optane was capable of. Yes battery backed DIMMs will cost more per
> bit, but it will be at full DRAM performance rather than more like flash performance, so while
> it isn't the same thing it is close enough for those who have a need for non volatile RAM.
Good Old UPS works better for 99% of those who don't already have UPS in form of laptop battery.
And for 99% of remaining 1%, some form of "local mini-UPS" either on board or within system power supply works better than "micro-UPS on every DIMM".
>
> The only real advantage it had was as "byte addressable flash" when used in a DIMM form factor,
> but that's really of limited utility. Most people have no desire for their RAM to be unchanged
> when they reboot their system, they just want RAM that's protected against power loss.
>
> It seems odd to me there isn't (as far as I know?) a market for DIMMs with an integrated battery
> that can perform refreshes to cover power loss. You only need it for as long as is required to
> regain power and reboot the systems. There isn't any need for DIMMs that will maintain their state
> for months without power like Optane was capable of. Yes battery backed DIMMs will cost more per
> bit, but it will be at full DRAM performance rather than more like flash performance, so while
> it isn't the same thing it is close enough for those who have a need for non volatile RAM.
Good Old UPS works better for 99% of those who don't already have UPS in form of laptop battery.
And for 99% of remaining 1%, some form of "local mini-UPS" either on board or within system power supply works better than "micro-UPS on every DIMM".
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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RIP Optane/XPoint | Wes Felter | 2022/07/28 07:53 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Rayla | 2022/07/28 08:28 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Doug S | 2022/07/28 09:00 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | NoSpammer | 2022/07/29 01:50 AM |
NVDIMM-N | Eric L | 2022/07/29 03:36 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Michael S | 2022/07/29 04:02 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Doug S | 2022/07/29 10:40 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Doug S | 2022/07/29 10:43 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Linus Torvalds | 2022/07/29 11:20 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | David Hess | 2022/07/29 08:59 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | David Hess | 2022/07/30 03:44 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Doug S | 2022/07/30 10:43 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | rwessel | 2022/07/31 05:33 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Konrad Schwarz | 2022/08/02 08:06 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | David Hess | 2022/08/02 10:24 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | David Hess | 2022/08/02 10:26 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Adrian | 2022/08/03 01:19 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | anonymou5 | 2022/07/29 12:50 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Gionatan Danti | 2022/07/29 09:09 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Mark Roulo | 2022/07/29 10:02 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | dmcq | 2022/07/30 03:42 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | anon3 | 2022/07/31 10:19 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | anon2 | 2022/07/31 10:55 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Doug S | 2022/08/01 08:37 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Gionatan Danti | 2022/08/01 01:33 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | NoSpammer | 2022/08/02 03:50 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Doug S | 2022/08/02 09:24 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Gionatan Danti | 2022/08/02 10:34 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | --- | 2022/08/02 10:39 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | David Hess | 2022/08/03 03:48 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Michael S | 2022/08/03 06:04 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | David Hess | 2022/08/03 08:56 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Adrian | 2022/08/01 02:15 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Gionatan Danti | 2022/08/01 06:07 AM |
Losses vs not profitable enough | Mark Roulo | 2022/08/01 10:15 AM |
Losses vs not profitable enough | dmcq | 2022/08/01 11:50 AM |
Losses vs not profitable enough | Gionatan Danti | 2022/08/01 12:34 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Michael S | 2022/08/01 02:47 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Anon | 2022/08/01 03:09 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Michael S | 2022/08/01 03:32 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Groo | 2022/08/01 12:28 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | anon3 | 2022/08/01 10:33 PM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | Groo | 2022/08/03 11:15 AM |
RIP Optane/XPoint | --- | 2022/08/03 03:05 PM |
Latency | David Kanter | 2022/07/29 06:35 PM |
Operating system and driver overhead | Eric L | 2022/07/29 03:44 AM |
Operating system and driver overhead | Linus Torvalds | 2022/07/29 10:45 AM |
altrernatives? | Michael S | 2022/07/29 05:17 AM |
altrernatives? | Rayla | 2022/07/29 06:49 AM |