I hope you find something, but there are challenges

By: vonk (vonk.delete@this.sun.com), August 3, 2022 12:22 am
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Mark Roulo (nothanks.delete@this.xxx.com) on August 2, 2022 6:48 pm wrote:
> I'll be interested to see what you find, but my (non-rigorous!) belief is that the most important thing for an
> ISA is to avoid a number of screwups. For ISAs intended for high performance implementations these include
>

    >
  • Register windows. These mostly seem to be a bad idea.

  • >
  • Stack or memory based architecture (you really want registers)

  • >
  • Instruction encoding that makes parallel decode difficult (e.g. 680x0). Fixed
    > length is one way to make parallel decode straightforward, but being able to easily/rapidly
    > determine the length of a given instruction seems to be sufficient

  • >
  • Instructions with many indirect memory accesses

  • >

>
> There are probably a few more, but once you've done this I think the actual IMPLEMENTATION starts to dominate.

I have one to add to your list: Never expose micro-architectural design choices in your ISA. The branch delay slot in early RISC/MIPS/SPARC being a prime example. You'll have to keep dealing with that behavior in future implementations which may take a whole different approach, and it'll be a pain.
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