Q: Do we need branch prediction? A: We don't need it, but....

By: (0xe2.0x9a.0x9b.delete@this.gmail.com), August 29, 2022 2:17 pm
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Kara (karaardalan.delete@this.gmail.com) on August 24, 2022 2:07 pm wrote:
>
> Since like my second year programming I stopped writing branched code totally,
> few tens of thousands lines of code in, I haven't encounter anything that
> intrinsically requires speculative branch prediction, like logically.
>
> But I write only numes.
>
> Is there any program that can't be written without a branching that can't
> be rephrased (literally, all that is is rephrasing) into branchless?
>
> Mind risc-v don't offer BPU, there's extensions but not in the requirements.

The answer to the query whether it is possible to translate _any_ code whatsoever into branchless code is: Yes, it is possible.

Not only it is possible - it is actually a very simple procedure (assuming you do not care about the efficiency nor about the non-redundancy of the result produced by the simple procedure).

A Universal Turing Machine (UTM) can be implemented using just loads, stores and basic arithmetic operations (integer addition, multiplications/shifts), without any apparent conditional branches:

LOOP:
var l = &lines[state * tape[pos]]
state = l.state
tape[pos] = l.symbol
pos += l.delta
goto LOOP // Note: This is an unconditional branch


But in many cases, if a code containing conditional branches is translated into branchless code, the branchless version runs slower. However, in many other cases, the converse is true (i.e: the branchless version is faster).

Or, if you like quantum mechanics: The above UTM loop is both branchless and branchy at the same time ---- the existence or non-existence of conditional branches in that code solely depends on how you measure it.

Or, in other words: Branch prediction and value prediction are two different manifestations of the same underlying phenomenon.

-atom
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Do we need branch prediction?Kara2022/08/24 02:07 PM
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  Do we need branch prediction?Mark Roulo2022/08/24 04:25 PM
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      Do we need branch prediction?Anon2022/08/24 06:52 PM
    Do we need branch prediction?rwessel2022/08/24 06:40 PM
    Do we need branch prediction?ananon2022/08/25 12:56 AM
      Do we need branch prediction?Carlie Coats2022/08/25 07:39 AM
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    Do we need branch prediction?Kevin G2022/08/25 08:47 AM
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  Do we need branch prediction?Geoff Langdale2022/08/24 07:18 PM
  Do we need branch prediction?Adrian2022/08/25 12:58 AM
  Do we need branch prediction?Brendan2022/08/25 07:54 AM
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  Predicable branching patterns (aykm; )Kara2022/08/27 01:00 PM
    Predicable branching patterns (aykm; )Jukka Larja2022/08/27 11:38 PM
    Predicable branching patterns (aykm; )Eric Fink2022/08/28 01:22 AM
      Predicable branching patterns (aykm; )Doug S2022/08/28 10:17 AM
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      Predicable branching patterns (aykm; )Anon2022/08/28 02:35 PM
  Q: Do we need branch prediction? A: We don't need it, but....2022/08/29 02:17 PM
    Quantum stuff.Kara2022/08/29 03:01 PM
      Q: Do we need branch prediction? A: We don't need it, but....2022/08/30 11:48 AM
    "Quantum Woo" (hint; that's NOT how it works) (NT)anonymous22022/08/29 04:19 PM
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