By: Groo (charlie.delete@this.semiaccurate.com), January 29, 2023 9:46 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
anonymou5 (no.delete@this.spam.com) on January 28, 2023 3:03 am wrote:
> > Why they have not followed the standard methodology in this field, is a mystery.
>
> They did.
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> The bug in question was of a different nature, and missed because of a different chain of circumstances.
If you are talking about the bug that delayed SPR from Q3(barely) to Q1/23 (barely), I totally agree. I know specifically what the bug was and was the first to report it for Intel last May. SPR is enormously complex, stunningly so and, well, good luck testing all interactions of all the parts pre-silicon.
I will stand by what I said last May, Intel did the right thing to delay SPR. They took a lot of sh*t for it but it was the right thing to do. A lot of people are questioning Pat's leadership and changes to the culture but, well, there is no way in hell that delay would have happened under the old regime. And it would have cost Intel a lot more but some middle managers would have gotten bonuses.
-Charlie
> > Why they have not followed the standard methodology in this field, is a mystery.
>
> They did.
>
> The bug in question was of a different nature, and missed because of a different chain of circumstances.
If you are talking about the bug that delayed SPR from Q3(barely) to Q1/23 (barely), I totally agree. I know specifically what the bug was and was the first to report it for Intel last May. SPR is enormously complex, stunningly so and, well, good luck testing all interactions of all the parts pre-silicon.
I will stand by what I said last May, Intel did the right thing to delay SPR. They took a lot of sh*t for it but it was the right thing to do. A lot of people are questioning Pat's leadership and changes to the culture but, well, there is no way in hell that delay would have happened under the old regime. And it would have cost Intel a lot more but some middle managers would have gotten bonuses.
-Charlie
| Topic | Posted By | Date |
|---|---|---|
| NYT on SPR | --- | 2023/01/26 10:37 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Chris G | 2023/01/26 06:02 PM |
| NYT on SPR | me | 2023/01/26 07:44 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Anne O. Nymous | 2023/01/27 01:09 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Michael S | 2023/01/27 03:22 AM |
| NYT on SPR | --- | 2023/01/27 10:31 AM |
| Pat has been trimming the Intel product portfolio | Mark Roulo | 2023/01/27 01:29 PM |
| NYT on SPR | James | 2023/01/27 02:00 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Adrian | 2023/01/28 03:55 AM |
| NYT on SPR | anonymou5 | 2023/01/28 04:03 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Adrian | 2023/01/28 04:14 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Groo | 2023/01/29 09:50 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Groo | 2023/01/29 09:46 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Brendan | 2023/01/29 01:00 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Anon4 | 2023/01/29 04:06 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Brendan | 2023/01/29 07:03 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Groo | 2023/01/30 07:09 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Groo | 2023/01/29 09:39 AM |
| NYT on SPR | AnonSoft | 2023/01/30 11:01 AM |
| NYT on SPR | hobold | 2023/01/30 12:39 PM |
| NYT on SPR | AnonSoft | 2023/01/30 05:34 PM |
| NYT on SPR | hobold | 2023/01/31 04:40 AM |
| NYT on SPR | Jukka Larja | 2023/01/31 07:13 AM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Mark Heath | 2023/02/01 04:45 AM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Freddie | 2023/02/01 05:05 AM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Mark Heath | 2023/02/01 06:42 AM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Freddie | 2023/02/01 09:54 AM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Mark Heath | 2023/02/01 04:45 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | —- | 2023/02/02 04:35 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Freddie | 2023/02/02 04:39 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | --- | 2023/02/03 12:15 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Freddie | 2023/02/03 03:46 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Anne O. Nymous | 2023/02/03 12:57 AM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | --- | 2023/02/03 12:35 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Anne O. Nymous | 2023/02/03 01:35 PM |
| different big/little split.. | Heikki Kultala | 2023/02/03 02:33 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Paul H | 2023/02/03 06:51 PM |
| Heterogeneous CPU Cores With OpenMP | Jukka Larja | 2023/02/01 06:24 AM |
| When heavily loaded, Threads run about equally fast on E-cores than P-cores | Heikki Kultala | 2023/02/01 02:08 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Chester | 2023/01/27 09:30 AM |
| use archive.org | anon | 2023/01/27 06:08 PM |
| Bypassing paywalls | Doug S | 2023/01/28 02:05 PM |
| NYT on SPR | Chris G | 2023/01/27 06:54 PM |
| Intel On Demand | Chris G | 2023/01/28 04:24 AM |
| Intel On Demand | me | 2023/01/28 06:24 AM |
| Intel On Demand | Groo | 2023/01/29 09:53 AM |
| Intel On Demand | rwessel | 2023/01/28 09:41 AM |
| Intel On Demand | --- | 2023/01/28 11:37 AM |
| Anit-waste bias | Paul A. Clayton | 2023/01/28 07:57 PM |
| Intel On Demand | Groo | 2023/01/29 09:58 AM |
| Intel On Demand | Andrey | 2023/01/30 05:04 PM |
| Intel On Demand | blaine | 2023/01/28 03:07 PM |
| Intel On Demand | me | 2023/01/28 03:25 PM |
| Intel On Demand | me | 2023/01/28 03:33 PM |
| Intel On Demand | Chris G | 2023/01/28 07:06 PM |
| Intel On Demand | me | 2023/01/28 07:43 PM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | Björn Ragnar Björnsson | 2023/01/28 10:41 PM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | anonymou5 | 2023/01/29 02:49 AM |
| Sapphire Rapids crippleware is a naked money grab | Chris G | 2023/01/29 04:44 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | Groo | 2023/01/29 10:05 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | AnotherAnonymousEngineer | 2023/01/29 10:33 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | Groo | 2023/01/29 11:16 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | dmcq | 2023/01/29 04:32 PM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | Brendan | 2023/01/29 08:01 PM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | Groo | 2023/01/30 07:17 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | Freddie | 2023/01/30 11:36 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | anon2 | 2023/01/30 07:41 PM |
| Intel On Demand - Validation, certification? | anon2 | 2023/01/31 01:35 AM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/01/31 05:47 AM |
| Doctorow calls it "enshittification" (NT) | hobold | 2023/01/31 07:55 AM |
| Crippleware | anon2 | 2023/01/31 10:51 AM |
| Crippleware | Groo | 2023/02/01 02:06 PM |
| Crippleware | anon2 | 2023/02/01 05:10 PM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/02/01 05:52 PM |
| Crippleware | anon2 | 2023/02/01 09:15 PM |
| SPR Volume | me | 2023/02/02 04:47 AM |
| SPR Volume | anon2 | 2023/02/02 07:04 AM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/02/02 08:12 AM |
| Crippleware | anon2 | 2023/02/02 08:42 AM |
| Crippleware | anon2 | 2023/02/02 08:48 AM |
| Crippleware | Charles | 2023/02/01 01:38 AM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/02/01 02:59 AM |
| language digression | Matt Sayler | 2023/02/01 04:53 PM |
| Crippleware | me | 2023/02/01 06:27 PM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/02/01 07:01 PM |
| Crippleware | me | 2023/02/01 07:10 PM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/02/01 09:32 PM |
| Crippleware | Tony | 2023/02/01 11:18 PM |
| Crippleware | me | 2023/02/02 04:27 AM |
| Crippleware | anonymou5 | 2023/02/02 03:47 AM |
| Crippleware | Chris G | 2023/02/02 05:59 AM |
| Intel On Demand - Enshittification | blaine | 2023/01/30 12:13 AM |
| Intel and mobile phones | James | 2023/01/29 09:09 AM |
| Intel and mobile phones | Maxwell | 2023/01/29 02:25 PM |
| Intel and mobile phones | Groo | 2023/01/30 07:20 AM |
| Intel and mobile phones | anonymous2 | 2023/01/30 11:15 AM |
| Intel and mobile phones | Doug S | 2023/01/30 12:51 PM |
| Intel and mobile phones | Daniel B | 2023/01/31 07:37 AM |
| Intel and mobile phones | Groo | 2023/02/01 02:03 PM |
| SPR HBM | me | 2023/01/29 09:17 AM |
| SPR-W | me | 2023/02/17 05:41 PM |
| Accelerators on AMD/ARM | Chester | 2023/01/29 05:41 PM |