core size -- x86 vs. IPF

Article: The Battle in 64 bit Land: Merchant Chips on the Rise
By: anonymus ((Not Given)), May 4, 2004 8:35 am
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>>I seem to recall Paul arguing that x86 cores
>>are larger than IPF cores, especially if that
>>extra x86 hardware is removed from the latter.
>>
>>Somehow those die drawings in this article do
>>not reflect that -- see Opteron vs. Montecito.
>
>AFAIK Montecito will still have x86 compatibility
>in hardware. Its microarchitecture would have
>been set in stone before the viability of IA-32 EL
>was demonstrated. IMO Tukwila will be the first
>pure native 64 bit IPF implementation.

If one cuts off a portion of the Montecito core to
account for the x86 hardware, the thing still seems
to have no size advantage versus that Opteron. So?

The K7 core with 2x 64 KB of L1 cache seems to have
about 25 million transistors. Add 5% for the AMD64
stuff, as claimed by AMD. Plus some more, for those
changes to the core that "turned it into" a K8.

Lets say 30 million.

How will a Montecito core fare against that?
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