More irrational people. :-)

Article: The Battle in 64 bit Land: Merchant Chips on the Rise
By: Dean Kent (, May 6, 2004 1:38 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Interested in Illinois ( on 5/5/04 wrote:
>But Dean, censorship of ideas (as opposed to mere profane language) would stop
>those ideas from being heard, no matter how valid they are. Shouldn't people decide
>what ideas are worthwhile? Censorship of profane language is far more objective and less damaging.

Um... Too bad? Seriously, my intent is not, and has never been, to provide a soapbox for every Tom, Dick and Karl to express his/her opinion on any subject that he/she holds dear. It has always been specifically to provide for, and encourage, debate on issues relating to computer technology. Period.

Your suggestion implies that I can spend my own money, time, motivation and skills to create something, but any ungrateful, inconsiderate, self-serving, rebel with a cause should be able drag it down and destroy what I have created without so much as an "I'm sorry"?

Or are you suggesting that you are 'people' and I am not?

>Dean, have you read 'Animal Farm'?


>Just what sort of language is acceptable? Your implication of 'Salem' 's thinking
>as being like that of a donkey is perhaps acceptable use of language to state your
>opinion of him I suppose, since mythological works like the Bible contain the word
>'ass' in English renditions. But the question remains, what is obscene language?


[n] male donkey
[n] a man who is a stupid fool

Synonyms: bozo, cuckoo, fathead, goof, goose, jack, twat, zany

See Also: ass, fool, muggins, sap, saphead, tomfool

>No, I would not want this 'waitressInGaza' person to be censored for 'wrong ideas',
>but the use of profane language does detract from presentation, and his argument. It is also rude.

The simple fact is that David Kanter and myself decide what ideas are acceptable here. Period. We may decide to take input from others, but we are in no way obligated either morally or legally to allow any ideas here that we personally do not consider appropriate. Period. You may argue the point, you may ask and you may beg. You may get what you wish for, but then you may not.

Funny how life has been implemented such that you can only control yourself and nobody else - and how frustrating that is to so many people who don't actually take the time to control themselves.

>Dean is correct, there are possibly other motives and issues involved, and to render
>the issue as a dichotomy is simplifying it a great deal. The Question is not whether
>people who critizise Intel are necessarily 'anti-Intel', it is what Intel did, and
>the nature of the critisisms directed at it. I maintain Intel made prespostorous
>claims of IA64 architectural performance in the past decade. Is this true? Did
>Intel make such claims which in retrospect are clearly false? If this is the case,
>would the person accusing Intel Corporation of indecent conduct regarding this matter
>be 'anti-Intel'? Are authorities who arrest a person who killed another 'anti-'
>that person for wanting to prosecute him? Or are they doing what is just and noble?

It is one thing to present facts and come to unpopular conclusions directly related to those facts. It is quite another to take those facts and use them as a springboard for pontificating on unrelated subjects such as religion, race, politics, etc. to fulfill your own personal agenda. This is not a publication that presents itself as dealing with those subjects, and therefore I consider it rude to everyone else to discuss them in depth. If one wishes to mention the issue and then invite others to discuss it on an appropriate forum, or privately via email, I would consider that perfectly acceptable. To do otherwise is most certainly *not* considerate of 'the people' at all, since it should be presumed that visitors here are not here to discuss those subjects.

>Dean, I'm willing to do more than that. In fact, at your request, I am willing
>to become 'spiritual advisor' to Real World Tech in all manner regarding ethics.

Show me your credentials, and prove that you are actually worthy of such a position. I am more than willing to listen. Or do you think that because you claim to be ethical that the people should just believe you?

>Out of a sence of duty to the Communal nature of RWT.

Or, perhaps, Veni, vidi, viri

>Remember Dean, people may be 'anti-' an observed behaviour such as lying and deception,
>not necessarily against the entity in question unless it became habitual and a part of the essence of that entity.

When one fights a moral/ethical battle by using the very tactics that one is supposed to be fighting against, one runs the risk of losing support for one's cause. If you want to claim others should reveal their motivations, then you should do so yourself.

Paul has stated several times why he favors Itanium. For some reason many people want to ignore that and claim that there are some ulterior motives, and insist that it must be a morally, ethically questionable desire to make financial gain - even when no valid argument can be made that his actions could achieve that result. This is a deceptive tactic, intended specifically to discredit the person and not the argument.

If your beef is with Intel, then using Paul as a surrogate whipping boy just to give yourself satisfaction is immoral, IMO. If you don't like his reasons for supporting Itanium, you should respect them just the same - just as you would expect someone to respect your support for Marxism, even if they don't like your reasons. Or do you stand to gain financially for socialist behaviors?

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            More irrational people. :-)Dean Kent2004/05/06 01:38 AM
              More irrational people. :-)Interested in Illinois2004/05/06 06:32 AM
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