New Silicon Insider Article

Article: Sizing up the Super Heavyweights
By: Paul DeMone (, October 17, 2004 5:58 am
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Anonymous4 (i@am.anonymous) on 10/16/04 wrote:
>David Kanter ( on 10/11/04 wrote:
>>Paul DeMone has just finished his latest edition of Silicon Insider.
>Paul, great read, two questions:
>1) Why do you show 3 separate blocks of L2 cache per die on
>figure 5. ? Is that an accurate physical or logical
>representation of the power4/5 die? I was under the
>impression that the L2 was shared between the cores. I
>apologize in advance if I've missed something
>elementary, I'm not an MPU architect (IANAMA).

It is but in most MPUs the L2 is a single logical entity. In
the POWER4/POWER5 it consists of three separate pools
of memory each with its own separate controller. Cache
lines are hashed across the three controllers/arrays.

>2) Your estimate of 2.7 Ghz for Power5+ is interesting. Do
>you think that will be the initial maximum or an eventual
>maximum? I'm thinking you mean the final maximum.

POWER5+ will likely be introduced at 2 or 3 clock rates
to hit different price/performance points. The highest of
those clock rates will be around 2.7 GHz IMO although
the availability of those models may be slightly delayed.

>If Power5+ never makes it to 2.7 Ghz, how will that
>affect the eventual performance race between it and
>Montecito ? I would assume it could have a great impact
>judging by the numbers in table4, where the estimates
>show Power5+ achieving near linear scaling in the SPEC
>workloads and Linpack with very respectable scaling in
>TPC/C. Plus, the estimates between it and Montecito look
>very close.

I don't think it will matter much beyond bragging rights
for specific closely fought benchmarks. IMO both POWER5+
and Montecito will be so far ahead of everything else in
the high end server market that a moderate shortfall in the
POWER5+ clock rate will not affect market dynamics very
much. In this segment small differences in performance
have little impact compared to other often less quantifiable
factors that come into play.
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