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Article: Sizing up the Super Heavyweights
By: Arun Ramakrishnan (, October 23, 2004 1:47 pm
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David Kanter ( on 10/23/04 wrote:
>Paul DeMone ( on 10/22/04 wrote:
>>Arun Ramakrishnan ( on 10/22/04 wrote:
>>>Why would the L2 I-cache be about 4 times the size of the L2 D-cache ?
>>>I always thought that MPU desginers would try to cut the latency of access to user
>>>data much more than the intruction stream itself.
>Well, if you think about it, a large Icache is far more important. An ICache miss
>means that you are wasting many cycles, no matter how the data cache performs.
>In contrast, if the data cache performs poorly, then a context switch producing
>hits in the ICache could still provide useful work.
>>IA-64 has low code density. A 1.0 MB/256KB IPF design
>>has similar instruction/data balance as roughly a 512
>>KB/256 KB RISC design. A bigger L2 icache also reduces
>>average instruction stream bandwidth demand on the L3.
>Actually, I was thinking along different lines. Andy Glew and I talked about this
>briefly, but there was a paper out of UW-Madison that indicated that the 'working
>set' for a database is ~1MB for ICache. I do not know which architecture this was, but I suspect it was Alpha or x86...
>Unfortunately, I do not recall the author of the paper, but it was quite interesting.
>>>Would this have something to do with the fact that two coarse grained threads on
>>>the core need to fed rapidly in order to keep the CMP efficiency high ?
>>Yep, that's probably the biggest reason. I also suspect
>>it will give a noticable boost to IA-32 EL performance.
>Why do you think it will give a particular boost to IA32EL? I am curious here.
>My initial thought was that they wanted to provide higher database performance.

Thanks David for your explanation.I always looked from a benchmark perspective when data was not getting fast enough to codes and most the functional units were sitting idle :)

Another interesting point brought forward by all of you is IA32EL performance.
At present,the IA32 performance is about 70-75% of native speeds with FP heavy ia32 codes(which are not that many:))
enjoying the boost in IA64 fp performance.
But still,i dont think it would ever become competitive with a Opteron at all.
I guess the compatibility with IA32 is the motive here rather than performance.

Would IA32EL performance on the Montecito enjoy a big enough boost to become at least 80% of native x86 cpus like Opteron ? That would be nice to have one but given the speed of x86 cpus touching 3+GHz now,the IA32EL performance looks rather weak.

As a side note,the largest application running on IA64 is database :) So i would not be surprised if Intel was helping them out.


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