By: William Campbell (wcampbell.delete@this.realworldtech.com), November 29, 2005 7:50 pm
Room: Moderated Discussions
Dean Kent (dkent@realworldtech.com) on 11/29/05 wrote:
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>William Campbell (wcampbell@realworldtech.com) on 11/29/05 wrote:
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>>... but when I directly
>>asked what Dean was saying was not asked by "AMD boosters"--his implication I believe,
>>I may be mistaken--I still did not get the answer to the question.
>>
>
>That is because I don't know the answer. I have not received a review processor or system for quite some time.
>
>My only objection is in the way questions are asked, which imply some kind of 'pressure'
>from Intel, but are not asked in this manner about AMD (or anyone else). It is
>amazing how many people try to proclaim themselves objective, but the wording used
>in even the most 'innocent' of questions almost always carries some sort of implication.
>I am somewhat sensitive to this, as I have had some recent run-ins with lawyers
>and psychiatrists recently. The deck can easily be stacked simply by posing the
>question or statement 'correctly'. And it is interesting how even very intelligent people can be swayed by this tactic.
>
>FWIW, I have previously received a number of processors from both companies, and
>*never* was I pressured by either one to use any particular benchmark. Both did,
>however, suggest not only specific benchmarks but the methodology to use as well.
>And recommended hardware (video cards, motherboards, etc.) that would be 'best'
>to use with them. There was never any implication that if the suggestions were
>not followed that there would be any punitive actions or refusal to supply future review parts.
>
>Regards,
>Dean
I know--we've had this conversation before and I took your observations to heart. But you asked the question knowing full well that RWT had not reviewed an AMD supplied system. So how could your "AMD boosters" have asked the question? Or been given the opportunity to do so.
Or are _you_ guilty of the behaviour you describe above?
I butted in because I _have_ asked the question you assert AMD boosters don't on forums that some accuse as being AMD partial. I have also asked it in regards Intel systems. I have never received a reply in any fora. Why is that? By asking for that information to be revealed/published does that mean I am casting aspertions? I'm sorry, but having given due consideration to the points you raise above I disagree most vehemently with this request for information as being a veiled slur on David, Anand or whomever else I have asked this question of. It is simply a request for information. I cannot speak for others, but if I want to disagree or challenge someones conclusions, I will do so in an unambiguous manner. If you think I am implying something, please clarify exactly how the framing of my question implies whatever it is that you assert that I am implying, and can you frame the request in such a way as be "implication free"?
FWIW--This is my signature on another forum that I frequent
"Read what I said. If you think I implied something, read what I said again. The inference could be in your reading."
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>William Campbell (wcampbell@realworldtech.com) on 11/29/05 wrote:
>---------------------------
>>... but when I directly
>>asked what Dean was saying was not asked by "AMD boosters"--his implication I believe,
>>I may be mistaken--I still did not get the answer to the question.
>>
>
>That is because I don't know the answer. I have not received a review processor or system for quite some time.
>
>My only objection is in the way questions are asked, which imply some kind of 'pressure'
>from Intel, but are not asked in this manner about AMD (or anyone else). It is
>amazing how many people try to proclaim themselves objective, but the wording used
>in even the most 'innocent' of questions almost always carries some sort of implication.
>I am somewhat sensitive to this, as I have had some recent run-ins with lawyers
>and psychiatrists recently. The deck can easily be stacked simply by posing the
>question or statement 'correctly'. And it is interesting how even very intelligent people can be swayed by this tactic.
>
>FWIW, I have previously received a number of processors from both companies, and
>*never* was I pressured by either one to use any particular benchmark. Both did,
>however, suggest not only specific benchmarks but the methodology to use as well.
>And recommended hardware (video cards, motherboards, etc.) that would be 'best'
>to use with them. There was never any implication that if the suggestions were
>not followed that there would be any punitive actions or refusal to supply future review parts.
>
>Regards,
>Dean
I know--we've had this conversation before and I took your observations to heart. But you asked the question knowing full well that RWT had not reviewed an AMD supplied system. So how could your "AMD boosters" have asked the question? Or been given the opportunity to do so.
Or are _you_ guilty of the behaviour you describe above?
I butted in because I _have_ asked the question you assert AMD boosters don't on forums that some accuse as being AMD partial. I have also asked it in regards Intel systems. I have never received a reply in any fora. Why is that? By asking for that information to be revealed/published does that mean I am casting aspertions? I'm sorry, but having given due consideration to the points you raise above I disagree most vehemently with this request for information as being a veiled slur on David, Anand or whomever else I have asked this question of. It is simply a request for information. I cannot speak for others, but if I want to disagree or challenge someones conclusions, I will do so in an unambiguous manner. If you think I am implying something, please clarify exactly how the framing of my question implies whatever it is that you assert that I am implying, and can you frame the request in such a way as be "implication free"?
FWIW--This is my signature on another forum that I frequent
"Read what I said. If you think I implied something, read what I said again. The inference could be in your reading."
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 06:25 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:55 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:29 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | rwessel | 2005/11/29 02:53 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 12:01 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 12:48 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:37 PM |
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Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:12 PM |
To clarify intent | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:19 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 04:21 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 06:13 PM |
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Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 01:21 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:25 PM |
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Yes please (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 06:19 PM |
Thank you | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:51 PM |
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Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 07:50 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/30 05:16 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:49 PM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:02 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/12/01 04:54 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 05:11 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:03 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/01 07:55 AM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 08:26 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 09:52 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 10:14 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 11:04 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 12:13 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 07:02 AM |
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You lost. | tecate | 2005/12/02 02:55 PM |
I second that (NT) | savantu | 2005/12/02 03:22 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Ray | 2005/12/02 04:19 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:20 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 05:28 PM |
You lost. | Anonymous | 2005/12/02 08:27 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 08:56 PM |
You lost. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:37 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 12:08 AM |
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All about the context | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:51 PM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 04:29 PM |
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You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 10:00 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:09 PM |
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This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:17 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | mas | 2005/12/04 02:02 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/05 06:21 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:18 PM |
... | Temp | 2005/12/04 03:38 PM |
... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 05:25 PM |
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Once more, alas | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 08:23 AM |
Bye | Temp | 2005/12/05 10:47 AM |
Once more, alas | Bill Todd | 2005/12/05 10:58 AM |
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You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:39 PM |
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It's sad | mas | 2005/12/04 07:09 AM |
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Perfect | No one you'd know | 2005/12/04 10:52 AM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 12:32 PM |
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Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 01:16 PM |
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