By: Dean Kent (dkent.delete@this.realworldtech.com), November 30, 2005 5:16 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
William Campbell (wcampbell@realworldtech.com) on 11/29/05 wrote:
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>"Read what I said. If you think I implied something, read what I said again. The inference could be in your reading."
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I think you need to take that advice to heart. My original post was not in response to you, but to Armand. My response to you simply answered your question about why I didn't answer your question and what my intentions were. FWIW, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask which benchmarks each manufacturer recommends, though I haven't seen a review NDA for some time so I don't know if there are now any restrictions on revealing that information (though I suspect not).
Note that I said 'the way the question is asked'. For example, if Armand left his question as "What motivated you in this choice of applications, and who provided them?", that would have been sufficient for David to answer. However, further questions were asked that implied something more 'sinister'. "Did it come with Intel supplied benchmarks, which you ran?... was the availability of the system tied to the release of those benchmark figures?", etc.
If Intel actually was trying to 'force' people to make the platform look good, and put conditions on the review process - do you think they would allow the reviewer to actually reveal that information without any restriction? Don't you think that would result in *someone* at least anonymously tipping the media (such as The Inquirer) of such practices?
That line of questioning is intended to be leading, whether conciously or not. It forces the answer to be given in a particular way - focusing on what "Intel did" vs. what the reviewer did. It is as much an insult to the reviewer as it is to Intel, IMO. As I said, I am sensitive to this line of questioning for various reasons, and have seen the effects of it on people directly. Not intended to disparage Armand, but I really dislike this sort of innocuous method of pointing fingers at people/companies - it is dishonest and smarmy from my point of view.
Regards,
Dean
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>"Read what I said. If you think I implied something, read what I said again. The inference could be in your reading."
>
I think you need to take that advice to heart. My original post was not in response to you, but to Armand. My response to you simply answered your question about why I didn't answer your question and what my intentions were. FWIW, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask which benchmarks each manufacturer recommends, though I haven't seen a review NDA for some time so I don't know if there are now any restrictions on revealing that information (though I suspect not).
Note that I said 'the way the question is asked'. For example, if Armand left his question as "What motivated you in this choice of applications, and who provided them?", that would have been sufficient for David to answer. However, further questions were asked that implied something more 'sinister'. "Did it come with Intel supplied benchmarks, which you ran?... was the availability of the system tied to the release of those benchmark figures?", etc.
If Intel actually was trying to 'force' people to make the platform look good, and put conditions on the review process - do you think they would allow the reviewer to actually reveal that information without any restriction? Don't you think that would result in *someone* at least anonymously tipping the media (such as The Inquirer) of such practices?
That line of questioning is intended to be leading, whether conciously or not. It forces the answer to be given in a particular way - focusing on what "Intel did" vs. what the reviewer did. It is as much an insult to the reviewer as it is to Intel, IMO. As I said, I am sensitive to this line of questioning for various reasons, and have seen the effects of it on people directly. Not intended to disparage Armand, but I really dislike this sort of innocuous method of pointing fingers at people/companies - it is dishonest and smarmy from my point of view.
Regards,
Dean
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:45 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 06:25 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:55 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:29 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | rwessel | 2005/11/29 02:53 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 12:01 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 12:48 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:37 PM |
Well said! (NT) | savantu | 2005/11/29 01:44 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:12 PM |
To clarify intent | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:19 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 04:21 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 06:13 PM |
Peer review | nick | 2005/11/29 11:09 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 12:39 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 01:21 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:25 PM |
Yes please (NT) | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 12:28 AM |
Yes please (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 06:19 PM |
Thank you | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:51 PM |
Thank you | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 10:29 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 07:12 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 07:50 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/30 05:16 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:49 PM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:02 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/12/01 04:54 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 05:11 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:03 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/01 07:55 AM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 08:26 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 09:52 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 10:14 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 11:04 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 12:13 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 07:02 AM |
You lost this one. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:54 AM |
You lost. | tecate | 2005/12/02 02:55 PM |
I second that (NT) | savantu | 2005/12/02 03:22 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Ray | 2005/12/02 04:19 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:20 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 05:28 PM |
You lost. | Anonymous | 2005/12/02 08:27 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 08:56 PM |
You lost. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:37 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 12:08 AM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 02:27 PM |
All about the context | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:51 PM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 04:29 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 09:15 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 10:00 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:09 PM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/03 02:42 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:45 PM |
Well... | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 03:51 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/03 05:54 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | NIKOLAS | 2005/12/03 06:25 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 09:40 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 09:48 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 09:48 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 11:17 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 12:37 AM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 01:19 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 09:43 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:17 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | mas | 2005/12/04 02:02 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/05 06:21 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:18 PM |
... | Temp | 2005/12/04 03:38 PM |
... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 05:25 PM |
Once more, alas | Temp | 2005/12/05 02:23 AM |
Once more, alas | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 08:23 AM |
Bye | Temp | 2005/12/05 10:47 AM |
Once more, alas | Bill Todd | 2005/12/05 10:58 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Temp | 2005/12/05 03:42 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 10:06 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | David Kanter | 2005/12/05 08:08 PM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Temp | 2005/12/06 01:45 AM |
More info about Sungard | Temp | 2005/12/06 03:20 PM |
More info about Sungard | David Kanter | 2005/12/06 04:25 PM |
More info about Sungard | Temp | 2005/12/07 12:40 AM |
More info about Sungard | Dean Kent | 2005/12/07 07:52 AM |
More info about Sungard | Dean Kent | 2005/12/06 07:22 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:31 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 09:51 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 11:14 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/04 01:06 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 01:54 AM |
Enough with the politics... (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 03:41 AM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:03 AM |
Well Said! (NT) | Anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:48 AM |
You lost. | savantu | 2005/12/04 06:47 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:39 PM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/05 02:51 AM |
You lost this one. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 09:41 PM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 12:55 AM |
You lost this one. | tecate | 2005/12/03 05:27 AM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 06:33 AM |
You lost this one. | savantu | 2005/12/03 10:19 AM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 12:19 PM |
For god sake. | Anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:28 AM |
It's sad | sav | 2005/12/04 06:43 AM |
It's sad | mas | 2005/12/04 07:09 AM |
It's sad | Michael S | 2005/12/04 07:33 AM |
Perfect | No one you'd know | 2005/12/04 10:52 AM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 12:32 PM |
Perfect | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 12:50 PM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 01:16 PM |
Perfect | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 04:22 PM |
Posts deleted, topic not open for discussion | David Kanter | 2005/12/05 02:05 PM |
Posts deleted, topic not open for discussion | Keith Fiske | 2005/12/05 05:03 PM |
This will not be tolerated | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 04:32 PM |
For god sake. | Leonov | 2005/12/05 07:10 AM |
Back on track... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 12:35 PM |
Back on track... | Leonov | 2005/12/06 03:08 AM |
You lost this one. | Temp | 2005/12/03 04:16 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 06:22 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/02 12:01 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | an | 2005/11/29 01:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 02:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | an | 2005/11/30 07:52 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 10:42 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 04:11 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | anonymous | 2005/11/29 05:38 PM |
It's called | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 06:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:41 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 03:02 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 07:41 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/29 02:03 PM |
2 small nitpicks | Daniel Bizó | 2005/11/29 03:27 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 07:40 AM |
2 small nitpicks | Daniel Bizó | 2005/11/30 11:17 AM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 12:30 PM |
2 small nitpicks | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:32 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 02:49 PM |
Minor Comment about CineBench | Rakesh Malik | 2005/11/29 02:22 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:04 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:08 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:05 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/30 07:58 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 01:45 AM |
Why no 64-bit tests? | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:37 PM |
Why no 64-bit tests? | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:07 AM |