By: Temp (Armand.Hirt.delete@this.caramail.com), December 1, 2005 3:03 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Dean Kent (dkent@realworldtech.com) on 11/30/05 wrote:
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>Note that I said 'the way the question is asked'. For example, if Armand left
>his question as "What motivated you in this choice of applications, and who provided
>them?", that would have been sufficient for David to answer. However, further
>questions were asked that implied something more 'sinister'.
I admit I would have preferred if you had stayed at the level of vague double entendre and disparaging allegations as you did until now, as those can be safely ignored.
Since you are finally questioning my motives in a very specific manner and in particular naming me, I feel compelled to reply.
Regarding your hypothesis that I was "implying something sinister", I have trouble understanding how I could have been more direct and transparent (as opposed to implying something): "And finally, was the availability of the system explicitely tied to the release of those benchmark figures? Or were you free to choose any benchmark?" which in turn gave ample room to David to explain what was going on and dispel the notion, completing the information given in the article, all in an open way. I don't think I implied something beyond what I wrote, which was hardly nebulous, and I firmly believe that being direct about such topics can be a good way towards understanding the truth of the matter.
I remark that this tendency of trying to decipher hidden agendas or biases behind contributions is becoming an habit of yours. In my opinion, and judging by the quality of the subthreads which followed such interventions, the discussions that ensue are not only almost devoid of technical content or interest, but problematically, are also exactly the thing that you used to warn some posters against: you focus on some aspects of the tone of the message rather than its actual content. In other words, you hurt the signal/noise ratio. In this respect, drawing an AMD vs Intel comparison in your first reply was quite singular, and would actually warrant a close inspection of your own motives. I let that to you, of course.
>Not intended to disparage
>Armand, but I really dislike this sort of innocuous method of pointing fingers at
>people/companies - it is dishonest and smarmy from my point of view.
Heh. Judging from the above, I suppose I am really lucky you did not intend to disparage me. Had it been your intention, you could easily have coined me smarmy after weaseling for several posts around the issue when I think I have been, in fact, very frank and open. Lucky me :-)
- Armand
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>Note that I said 'the way the question is asked'. For example, if Armand left
>his question as "What motivated you in this choice of applications, and who provided
>them?", that would have been sufficient for David to answer. However, further
>questions were asked that implied something more 'sinister'.
I admit I would have preferred if you had stayed at the level of vague double entendre and disparaging allegations as you did until now, as those can be safely ignored.
Since you are finally questioning my motives in a very specific manner and in particular naming me, I feel compelled to reply.
Regarding your hypothesis that I was "implying something sinister", I have trouble understanding how I could have been more direct and transparent (as opposed to implying something): "And finally, was the availability of the system explicitely tied to the release of those benchmark figures? Or were you free to choose any benchmark?" which in turn gave ample room to David to explain what was going on and dispel the notion, completing the information given in the article, all in an open way. I don't think I implied something beyond what I wrote, which was hardly nebulous, and I firmly believe that being direct about such topics can be a good way towards understanding the truth of the matter.
I remark that this tendency of trying to decipher hidden agendas or biases behind contributions is becoming an habit of yours. In my opinion, and judging by the quality of the subthreads which followed such interventions, the discussions that ensue are not only almost devoid of technical content or interest, but problematically, are also exactly the thing that you used to warn some posters against: you focus on some aspects of the tone of the message rather than its actual content. In other words, you hurt the signal/noise ratio. In this respect, drawing an AMD vs Intel comparison in your first reply was quite singular, and would actually warrant a close inspection of your own motives. I let that to you, of course.
>Not intended to disparage
>Armand, but I really dislike this sort of innocuous method of pointing fingers at
>people/companies - it is dishonest and smarmy from my point of view.
Heh. Judging from the above, I suppose I am really lucky you did not intend to disparage me. Had it been your intention, you could easily have coined me smarmy after weaseling for several posts around the issue when I think I have been, in fact, very frank and open. Lucky me :-)
- Armand
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:45 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 06:25 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:55 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:29 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | rwessel | 2005/11/29 02:53 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 12:01 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 12:48 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:37 PM |
Well said! (NT) | savantu | 2005/11/29 01:44 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:12 PM |
To clarify intent | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:19 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 04:21 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 06:13 PM |
Peer review | nick | 2005/11/29 11:09 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 12:39 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 01:21 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:25 PM |
Yes please (NT) | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 12:28 AM |
Yes please (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 06:19 PM |
Thank you | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:51 PM |
Thank you | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 10:29 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 07:12 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 07:50 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/30 05:16 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:49 PM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:02 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/12/01 04:54 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 05:11 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:03 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/01 07:55 AM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 08:26 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 09:52 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 10:14 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 11:04 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 12:13 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 07:02 AM |
You lost this one. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:54 AM |
You lost. | tecate | 2005/12/02 02:55 PM |
I second that (NT) | savantu | 2005/12/02 03:22 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Ray | 2005/12/02 04:19 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:20 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 05:28 PM |
You lost. | Anonymous | 2005/12/02 08:27 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 08:56 PM |
You lost. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:37 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 12:08 AM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 02:27 PM |
All about the context | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:51 PM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 04:29 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 09:15 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 10:00 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:09 PM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/03 02:42 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:45 PM |
Well... | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 03:51 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/03 05:54 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | NIKOLAS | 2005/12/03 06:25 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 09:40 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 09:48 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 09:48 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 11:17 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 12:37 AM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 01:19 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 09:43 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:17 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | mas | 2005/12/04 02:02 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/05 06:21 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:18 PM |
... | Temp | 2005/12/04 03:38 PM |
... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 05:25 PM |
Once more, alas | Temp | 2005/12/05 02:23 AM |
Once more, alas | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 08:23 AM |
Bye | Temp | 2005/12/05 10:47 AM |
Once more, alas | Bill Todd | 2005/12/05 10:58 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Temp | 2005/12/05 03:42 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 10:06 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | David Kanter | 2005/12/05 08:08 PM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Temp | 2005/12/06 01:45 AM |
More info about Sungard | Temp | 2005/12/06 03:20 PM |
More info about Sungard | David Kanter | 2005/12/06 04:25 PM |
More info about Sungard | Temp | 2005/12/07 12:40 AM |
More info about Sungard | Dean Kent | 2005/12/07 07:52 AM |
More info about Sungard | Dean Kent | 2005/12/06 07:22 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:31 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 09:51 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 11:14 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/04 01:06 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 01:54 AM |
Enough with the politics... (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 03:41 AM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:03 AM |
Well Said! (NT) | Anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:48 AM |
You lost. | savantu | 2005/12/04 06:47 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:39 PM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/05 02:51 AM |
You lost this one. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 09:41 PM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 12:55 AM |
You lost this one. | tecate | 2005/12/03 05:27 AM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 06:33 AM |
You lost this one. | savantu | 2005/12/03 10:19 AM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 12:19 PM |
For god sake. | Anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:28 AM |
It's sad | sav | 2005/12/04 06:43 AM |
It's sad | mas | 2005/12/04 07:09 AM |
It's sad | Michael S | 2005/12/04 07:33 AM |
Perfect | No one you'd know | 2005/12/04 10:52 AM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 12:32 PM |
Perfect | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 12:50 PM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 01:16 PM |
Perfect | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 04:22 PM |
Posts deleted, topic not open for discussion | David Kanter | 2005/12/05 02:05 PM |
Posts deleted, topic not open for discussion | Keith Fiske | 2005/12/05 05:03 PM |
This will not be tolerated | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 04:32 PM |
For god sake. | Leonov | 2005/12/05 07:10 AM |
Back on track... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 12:35 PM |
Back on track... | Leonov | 2005/12/06 03:08 AM |
You lost this one. | Temp | 2005/12/03 04:16 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 06:22 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/02 12:01 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | an | 2005/11/29 01:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 02:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | an | 2005/11/30 07:52 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 10:42 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 04:11 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | anonymous | 2005/11/29 05:38 PM |
It's called | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 06:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:41 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 03:02 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 07:41 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/29 02:03 PM |
2 small nitpicks | Daniel Bizó | 2005/11/29 03:27 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 07:40 AM |
2 small nitpicks | Daniel Bizó | 2005/11/30 11:17 AM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 12:30 PM |
2 small nitpicks | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:32 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 02:49 PM |
Minor Comment about CineBench | Rakesh Malik | 2005/11/29 02:22 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:04 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:08 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:05 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/30 07:58 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 01:45 AM |
Why no 64-bit tests? | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:37 PM |
Why no 64-bit tests? | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:07 AM |