By: Dean Kent (dkent.delete@this.realworldtech.com), December 5, 2005 8:23 am
Room: Moderated Discussions
Temp (Armand.Hirt@caramail.com) on 12/5/05 wrote:
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>That is not quite the start: the quote misses the motivation of the questions,
>which also stays in the original post. I was transparent in explaining why I thought
>so. Again, I see no implication in there. I introduce my hypothesis and ask for information.
A hypothesis is formed when you have made enough observations to come to some 'conclusion', and then you test it. IOW, you had already come to some conclusion and were 'testing' it. This is why the entire focus of the questioning was on whether Intel had exerted some pressure.
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>Shrugging only gets you so far, as you can see.
As does denying the obvious, as you can see.
Let me ask you this: You have been annoyed at me at least a half dozen times in the past when I have suggested that you are exhibiting some bias against Intel in your questions or 'neutral' comments. Why would you think that I would have that impression?
Nonetheless, I can see that for you maintaining the appearance of neutrality is of utmost importance, so the chances of you admitting that you really do have a suspicion, or even a strong belief, that Intel pressures and/or manipulates the media are pretty small.
This in itself is really of no consequence, since there are a lot of people who believe this, or suspect it. It is the ones who proclaim neutrality, yet whose posts contain vague suggestions of it that are annoying from my point of view. Hence the question I asked - which I said I had asked for a specific reason.
Now, if you want to convince me that you are truly a neutral observer who has no preconceived notions about what tactics Intel or AMD might use, you can make the effort of forming your questions differently. If you don't care whether I believe that or not, you can continue to form your questions the same way, and I will continue to ask why they are formed that way, or why they are of any relevance. That is true of others as well, and regardless of which company, or even person, they may be discussing.
Regards,
Dean
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>- Armand
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>That is not quite the start: the quote misses the motivation of the questions,
>which also stays in the original post. I was transparent in explaining why I thought
>so. Again, I see no implication in there. I introduce my hypothesis and ask for information.
A hypothesis is formed when you have made enough observations to come to some 'conclusion', and then you test it. IOW, you had already come to some conclusion and were 'testing' it. This is why the entire focus of the questioning was on whether Intel had exerted some pressure.
>
>Shrugging only gets you so far, as you can see.
As does denying the obvious, as you can see.
Let me ask you this: You have been annoyed at me at least a half dozen times in the past when I have suggested that you are exhibiting some bias against Intel in your questions or 'neutral' comments. Why would you think that I would have that impression?
Nonetheless, I can see that for you maintaining the appearance of neutrality is of utmost importance, so the chances of you admitting that you really do have a suspicion, or even a strong belief, that Intel pressures and/or manipulates the media are pretty small.
This in itself is really of no consequence, since there are a lot of people who believe this, or suspect it. It is the ones who proclaim neutrality, yet whose posts contain vague suggestions of it that are annoying from my point of view. Hence the question I asked - which I said I had asked for a specific reason.
Now, if you want to convince me that you are truly a neutral observer who has no preconceived notions about what tactics Intel or AMD might use, you can make the effort of forming your questions differently. If you don't care whether I believe that or not, you can continue to form your questions the same way, and I will continue to ask why they are formed that way, or why they are of any relevance. That is true of others as well, and regardless of which company, or even person, they may be discussing.
Regards,
Dean
>
>- Armand
Topic | Posted By | Date |
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:45 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 06:25 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:55 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:29 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | rwessel | 2005/11/29 02:53 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 12:01 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 12:48 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 01:37 PM |
Well said! (NT) | savantu | 2005/11/29 01:44 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:12 PM |
To clarify intent | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 04:19 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 04:21 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 06:13 PM |
Peer review | nick | 2005/11/29 11:09 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 12:39 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 01:21 AM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 11:25 PM |
Yes please (NT) | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 12:28 AM |
Yes please (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 06:19 PM |
Thank you | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:51 PM |
Thank you | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 10:29 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 07:12 PM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/29 07:50 PM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/11/30 05:16 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/11/30 08:49 PM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:02 AM |
Peer review | William Campbell | 2005/12/01 04:54 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 05:11 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/01 03:03 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/01 07:55 AM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 08:26 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 09:52 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/01 10:14 PM |
Peer review | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 11:04 PM |
Peer review | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 12:13 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 07:02 AM |
You lost this one. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:54 AM |
You lost. | tecate | 2005/12/02 02:55 PM |
I second that (NT) | savantu | 2005/12/02 03:22 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Ray | 2005/12/02 04:19 PM |
I wasn't in the game. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:20 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 05:28 PM |
You lost. | Anonymous | 2005/12/02 08:27 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 08:56 PM |
You lost. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 10:37 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 12:08 AM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 02:27 PM |
All about the context | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:51 PM |
All about the context | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 04:29 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 09:15 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/02 10:00 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/02 11:09 PM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/03 02:42 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 02:45 PM |
Well... | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 03:51 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/03 05:54 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | NIKOLAS | 2005/12/03 06:25 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 09:40 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 09:48 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | David Kanter | 2005/12/03 09:48 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 11:17 PM |
Bill is a self loathing American | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 12:37 AM |
Bill is a self loathing American | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 01:19 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 09:43 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:17 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | mas | 2005/12/04 02:02 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/05 06:21 AM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | tecate | 2005/12/04 01:18 PM |
... | Temp | 2005/12/04 03:38 PM |
... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 05:25 PM |
Once more, alas | Temp | 2005/12/05 02:23 AM |
Once more, alas | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 08:23 AM |
Bye | Temp | 2005/12/05 10:47 AM |
Once more, alas | Bill Todd | 2005/12/05 10:58 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Temp | 2005/12/05 03:42 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 10:06 AM |
Sungard as a benchmark | David Kanter | 2005/12/05 08:08 PM |
Sungard as a benchmark | Temp | 2005/12/06 01:45 AM |
More info about Sungard | Temp | 2005/12/06 03:20 PM |
More info about Sungard | David Kanter | 2005/12/06 04:25 PM |
More info about Sungard | Temp | 2005/12/07 12:40 AM |
More info about Sungard | Dean Kent | 2005/12/07 07:52 AM |
More info about Sungard | Dean Kent | 2005/12/06 07:22 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:31 PM |
This whole thread is a symptom... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 09:51 PM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/03 11:14 PM |
You lost. | Ray | 2005/12/04 01:06 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 01:54 AM |
Enough with the politics... (NT) | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 03:41 AM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:03 AM |
Well Said! (NT) | Anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:48 AM |
You lost. | savantu | 2005/12/04 06:47 AM |
You lost. | Bill Todd | 2005/12/04 09:39 PM |
You lost. | anonymous | 2005/12/05 02:51 AM |
You lost this one. | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 09:41 PM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 12:55 AM |
You lost this one. | tecate | 2005/12/03 05:27 AM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 06:33 AM |
You lost this one. | savantu | 2005/12/03 10:19 AM |
You lost this one. | Leonov | 2005/12/03 12:19 PM |
For god sake. | Anonymous | 2005/12/04 04:28 AM |
It's sad | sav | 2005/12/04 06:43 AM |
It's sad | mas | 2005/12/04 07:09 AM |
It's sad | Michael S | 2005/12/04 07:33 AM |
Perfect | No one you'd know | 2005/12/04 10:52 AM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 12:32 PM |
Perfect | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 12:50 PM |
Perfect | mas | 2005/12/04 01:16 PM |
Perfect | Dean Kent | 2005/12/04 04:22 PM |
Posts deleted, topic not open for discussion | David Kanter | 2005/12/05 02:05 PM |
Posts deleted, topic not open for discussion | Keith Fiske | 2005/12/05 05:03 PM |
This will not be tolerated | David Kanter | 2005/12/04 04:32 PM |
For god sake. | Leonov | 2005/12/05 07:10 AM |
Back on track... | Dean Kent | 2005/12/05 12:35 PM |
Back on track... | Leonov | 2005/12/06 03:08 AM |
You lost this one. | Temp | 2005/12/03 04:16 AM |
Peer review | Dean Kent | 2005/12/02 06:22 AM |
Peer review | Temp | 2005/12/02 12:01 PM |
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 02:17 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | an | 2005/11/30 07:52 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 10:42 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 04:11 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | anonymous | 2005/11/29 05:38 PM |
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Temp | 2005/11/29 02:41 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/29 03:02 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | Dean Kent | 2005/11/29 07:41 PM |
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2 small nitpicks | Daniel Bizó | 2005/11/29 03:27 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 07:40 AM |
2 small nitpicks | Daniel Bizó | 2005/11/30 11:17 AM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 12:30 PM |
2 small nitpicks | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:32 PM |
2 small nitpicks | an | 2005/11/30 02:49 PM |
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Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:08 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:05 AM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | PiedPiper | 2005/11/30 07:58 PM |
Bensley Platform Preview (Part II) Online | David Kanter | 2005/12/01 01:45 AM |
Why no 64-bit tests? | PiedPiper | 2005/11/29 08:37 PM |
Why no 64-bit tests? | David Kanter | 2005/11/30 02:07 AM |